New M17 owner, hi!
Hello everyone! My wife, Debora, and I (Rick) have just purchased a 2005 M17 from a very nice fellow down in southern CA. I just arrived back in Seattle with the M17 yesterday. Dan, the former owner, has owned Montgomery sailboats for over 30 years and only sold this barely used one because he messed up his back and can't single hand anymore (poor fellow). He installed numerous extra blocks and cleats...it is going to take some time to figure out his rigging plan since the 95 degree heat during the loading of the boat for trailering melted my brain while he was explaining things. I was also a little dizzy from having seen the boat ad on Monday night, buying a plane ticket that same night, and handing him a cashier's check Tuesday at noon! I have never been *quite* that spontanious before, but when you see a dream boat barely used for half price of new, you gotta act fast. Dan was also one of the nicest guys I have met, and kept tossing additional items I might need into my Uhaul making me feel even more guilty for taking his boat. When he handed me a set of padlocks that he had wrapped in protective foam so they would not scratch the gelcoat when installed on the lockers, I knew I had made a good purchase. We plan on doing a dry run of completely setting her up for sail this weekend in the driveway, then packing up and taking a test sail on Lake Washington. After we get a bit used to her and think we will not look completely clueless, it would be great to meet up with anyone for a day sail around the Sound or something. Our previous sailing experience consists of taking the first serious of sailing courses from Windworks at Shilshole marina and then taking out their Catalina 25 boats a few times for daysails. Hopefully what we learned on the Cat 25 boats will transfer to sailing the M17. Anyway, just wanted to drop a line and introduce ourselves. I look foward to sailing in the Puget Sound area with some of you soon! Rick
Rick, Welcome aboard! Joe Moore "Midnight Passage" M15 #641 On 8/24/07 10:52 AM, "Richard Everett" <rick@skyko.com> wrote:
Hello everyone!
My wife, Debora, and I (Rick) have just purchased a 2005 M17 from a very nice fellow down in southern CA. I just arrived back in Seattle with the M17 yesterday. Dan, the former owner, has owned Montgomery sailboats for over 30 years and only sold this barely used one because he messed up his back and can't single hand anymore (poor fellow). He installed numerous extra blocks and cleats...it is going to take some time to figure out his rigging plan since the 95 degree heat during the loading of the boat for trailering melted my brain while he was explaining things. I was also a little dizzy from having seen the boat ad on Monday night, buying a plane ticket that same night, and handing him a cashier's check Tuesday at noon! I have never been *quite* that spontanious before, but when you see a dream boat barely used for half price of new, you gotta act fast. Dan was also one of the nicest guys I have met, and kept tossing additional items I might need into my Uhaul making me feel even more guilty for taking his boat. When he handed me a set of padlocks that he had wrapped in protective foam so they would not scratch the gelcoat when installed on the lockers, I knew I had made a good purchase.
We plan on doing a dry run of completely setting her up for sail this weekend in the driveway, then packing up and taking a test sail on Lake Washington. After we get a bit used to her and think we will not look completely clueless, it would be great to meet up with anyone for a day sail around the Sound or something. Our previous sailing experience consists of taking the first serious of sailing courses from Windworks at Shilshole marina and then taking out their Catalina 25 boats a few times for daysails. Hopefully what we learned on the Cat 25 boats will transfer to sailing the M17.
Anyway, just wanted to drop a line and introduce ourselves. I look foward to sailing in the Puget Sound area with some of you soon!
Rick
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Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions?
You could try spraying Carburetor Starter ( available almost anywhere ) into the spark plug hole, after cleaning off spark plug and setting correct gap. Make sure your line from gas tank to carb is clear. Good luck; I've had success w/the spray. Fran former M15 #236
From: Jeff Royce <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?
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Hello Jeff: There is just no way Seafoam or any other magical band aid will allow your near new motor to run. Seafoam and Sta-bil are great to use in an engine that's in running condition for maintenance purposes. I'm assuming all the "basics" have been addressed. On a recent trip to the Eastern Sierras, I stumbled across a family attempting an after noon outing in a small skiff with a near new Tohatsu 4hp outboard motor. They had been attempting to start it for a half hour. After watching their technique for a few minutes, it was apparent it wasn't going to start at all. Maybe they would have been willing to try Seafoam at that point, but long story short, I gave it a try and four pulls later, they were off and running. Perhaps a trip to the dealer would save you a lot of frustration. Oh, the gas in the cylinder...that would probably darken the plug a little more. Good Luck, Bill Larson, M17 #632 "JoEllen" Jeff Royce <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hmmm..... when I said Seafoam, It sounded like the motor would run .... at least some. Seafoam is good, but it can't do it's job unless it makes it into the motor. Put your now clean and properly gapped plug back in and hook up the plug wire. Get yourself some starting fluid (or, I like Justice Brothers carb cleaner better, if you can get it) and spray it (not a lot, some) into the air cleaner or carb horn. Pull the cord. If the motor doesn't start after a couple pulls, repeat. Once the motor starts, you can keep it running by continuing to spray short bursts of of the starting fluid into carb/air cleaner. eventually the motor will begin to draw gas again and run on it's own. THEN the seafoam can start to do it's work. Be careful not to spray TOO much starting fluid, you can over rev the motor. Just little squirts, enough to keep it running. Rik William Larson wrote:
Hello Jeff:
There is just no way Seafoam or any other magical band aid will allow your near new motor to run. Seafoam and Sta-bil are great to use in an engine that's in running condition for maintenance purposes. I'm assuming all the "basics" have been addressed. On a recent trip to the Eastern Sierras, I stumbled across a family attempting an after noon outing in a small skiff with a near new Tohatsu 4hp outboard motor. They had been attempting to start it for a half hour. After watching their technique for a few minutes, it was apparent it wasn't going to start at all. Maybe they would have been willing to try Seafoam at that point, but long story short, I gave it a try and four pulls later, they were off and running. Perhaps a trip to the dealer would save you a lot of frustration. Oh, the gas in the cylinder...that would probably darken the plug a little more.
Good Luck, Bill Larson, M17 #632 "JoEllen"
Jeff Royce <jeffroyce@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?
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Rick, It WAS running a bit at one time... and that is exactly what i was hoping... to draw the seafoam into the carb by sputtering my way along. But it has stopped entirely and i know that if i can get it to go just a bit the seafoam may have a chance... i will try the starting fluid idea and if that doesn't work it's off to the shop we go... Thanks everyone for the help... now back to the sailing stories... btw, nice film on Youtube Jeff Rik Sandberg <sanderico@earthlink.net> wrote: Hmmm..... when I said Seafoam, It sounded like the motor would run .... at least some. Seafoam is good, but it can't do it's job unless it makes it into the motor. Put your now clean and properly gapped plug back in and hook up the plug wire. Get yourself some starting fluid (or, I like Justice Brothers carb cleaner better, if you can get it) and spray it (not a lot, some) into the air cleaner or carb horn. Pull the cord. If the motor doesn't start after a couple pulls, repeat. Once the motor starts, you can keep it running by continuing to spray short bursts of of the starting fluid into carb/air cleaner. eventually the motor will begin to draw gas again and run on it's own. THEN the seafoam can start to do it's work. Be careful not to spray TOO much starting fluid, you can over rev the motor. Just little squirts, enough to keep it running. Rik William Larson wrote:
Hello Jeff:
There is just no way Seafoam or any other magical band aid will allow your near new motor to run. Seafoam and Sta-bil are great to use in an engine that's in running condition for maintenance purposes. I'm assuming all the "basics" have been addressed. On a recent trip to the Eastern Sierras, I stumbled across a family attempting an after noon outing in a small skiff with a near new Tohatsu 4hp outboard motor. They had been attempting to start it for a half hour. After watching their technique for a few minutes, it was apparent it wasn't going to start at all. Maybe they would have been willing to try Seafoam at that point, but long story short, I gave it a try and four pulls later, they were off and running. Perhaps a trip to the dealer would save you a lot of frustration. Oh, the gas in the cylinder...that would probably darken the plug a little more.
Good Luck, Bill Larson, M17 #632 "JoEllen"
Jeff Royce wrote:
Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)?
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Jeff, I'd try Rik's thing first. If the problem is gumming in the jets, unless they are completely awful, it should work. In the less likely situation where they are plugged with particulates, the carb may need to be disassembled and cleaned. It is possible that a fuel mixture or idle screw has gotten out of adjustment, although it shouldn't be so bad that the engine won't at least fire occasionally when you pull. A shop manual should tell you how many turns the screws should be backed out for initial settings (with the fine tuning done after the engine is running). Tod No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 8/25/2007 5:00 PM
When you had the plug out, did you check to see if you had a good spark? With the plug out, put the wire on it, touch the threaded part of the plug to a metal part of the outboard, and pull. (you might need a helper). Just keep your fingers back on the rubber wire cover so as not to get bitten. If it has a good spark, you could put a half-teaspoon of gas or a quick shot of carb cleaner in before replacing the plug. Then see if it will fire. If it does, then you know it's probably a plugged jet or miss-adjustment.... Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Jeff Royce Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM
Todd, It worked! I put a bit of gas in the "hole", tightened up the plug, gave her a pull and she sputtered a bit until the fuel i put in burnt and then... nothing. So, here's the next question... carbeurator cleaner... do i have to take anything apart in the carbeurator to do that or (and don't laugh here, i am afraid i am serious) can i spray it directly into the air intake (looks like a wire mesh sort of air cleaner deal)? Jeff htmills@zoominternet.net wrote: When you had the plug out, did you check to see if you had a good spark? With the plug out, put the wire on it, touch the threaded part of the plug to a metal part of the outboard, and pull. (you might need a helper). Just keep your fingers back on the rubber wire cover so as not to get bitten. If it has a good spark, you could put a half-teaspoon of gas or a quick shot of carb cleaner in before replacing the plug. Then see if it will fire. If it does, then you know it's probably a plugged jet or miss-adjustment.... Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=zoominternet.net@mailman.xmission.c om] On Behalf Of Jeff Royce Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:19 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Seafoaming at the mouth! Well, i put some Seafoam in the gas tank and couldn't get the engine to turn over. I inspected the plug and (mind you i am no mechanic) it looked a bit oily for such a new engine... i have probably less than 10 hours on it in a years time... the plug was not crusty or anything, just dark... i emory clothed it clean at the tip and reinstalled it. It seems to me that if i could get it to turn over just a bit it would limp along until the Seafoam started working. What would happen if i put some gas in the spark plug "hole" (told ya i was no mechanic)? Any suggestions? _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.6/971 - Release Date: 8/24/2007 2:59 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi Rick and Debora, Congrats on getting hold of another nearly-new M17. I nabbed a 2004 back in March. I hope to put mine in Dagmar's Marina for awhile as soon as the dust settles, so perhaps we will cross paths on the Sound. Enjoy your trusty steed. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Everett" <rick@skyko.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: M_Boats: New M17 owner, hi!
Hello everyone!
My wife, Debora, and I (Rick) have just purchased a 2005 M17 from a very nice fellow down in southern CA. I just arrived back in Seattle with the M17 yesterday. Dan, the former owner, has owned Montgomery sailboats for over 30 years and only sold this barely used one because he messed up his back and can't single hand anymore (poor fellow). He installed numerous extra blocks and cleats...it is going to take some time to figure out his rigging plan since the 95 degree heat during the loading of the boat for trailering melted my brain while he was explaining things. I was also a little dizzy from having seen the boat ad on Monday night, buying a plane ticket that same night, and handing him a cashier's check Tuesday at noon! I have never been *quite* that spontanious before, but when you see a dream boat barely used for half price of new, you gotta act fast. Dan was also one of the nicest guys I have met, and kept tossing additional items I might need into my Uhaul making me feel even more guilty for taking his boat. When he handed me a set of padlocks that he had wrapped in protective foam so they would not scratch the gelcoat when installed on the lockers, I knew I had made a good purchase.
We plan on doing a dry run of completely setting her up for sail this weekend in the driveway, then packing up and taking a test sail on Lake Washington. After we get a bit used to her and think we will not look completely clueless, it would be great to meet up with anyone for a day sail around the Sound or something. Our previous sailing experience consists of taking the first serious of sailing courses from Windworks at Shilshole marina and then taking out their Catalina 25 boats a few times for daysails. Hopefully what we learned on the Cat 25 boats will transfer to sailing the M17.
Anyway, just wanted to drop a line and introduce ourselves. I look foward to sailing in the Puget Sound area with some of you soon!
Rick
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To all you knew owners......in case you are not aware, there is a wealth of information about your boat on the Montgomery Owner's site: http://www.msog.org/ There is a ton of good information on this site. It will take you a while to get through it all. The site has been up for a long time, but I can't recall when the last time was we heard from Doug King, who developed and maintains the site. There was a flurry of activity on a different photo site a year or so ago, but that too seems to have died out. It occurs to me that a lot of the questions all new owners have re: rigging, sailing, etc. needs to be on that one site (The MSOG). Don't know if Doug is interested in adding a bunch of new stuff, but it would be good if it could be done.
Knew owners? Jeeezzz. On Aug 27, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
To all you knew owners......in case you are not aware, there is a wealth of information about your boat on the Montgomery Owner's site:
There is a ton of good information on this site. It will take you a while to get through it all.
The site has been up for a long time, but I can't recall when the last time was we heard from Doug King, who developed and maintains the site. There was a flurry of activity on a different photo site a year or so ago, but that too seems to have died out.
It occurs to me that a lot of the questions all new owners have re: rigging, sailing, etc. needs to be on that one site (The MSOG). Don't know if Doug is interested in adding a bunch of new stuff, but it would be good if it could be done.
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Knot a problem Howard... Know big deal. Weave all ben their. Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: Knew owners? Jeeezzz. On Aug 27, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Howard Audsley wrote:
To all you knew owners......in case you are not aware, there is a wealth of information about your boat on the Montgomery Owner's site:
There is a ton of good information on this site. It will take you a while to get through it all.
The site has been up for a long time, but I can't recall when the last time was we heard from Doug King, who developed and maintains the site. There was a flurry of activity on a different photo site a year or so ago, but that too seems to have died out.
It occurs to me that a lot of the questions all new owners have re: rigging, sailing, etc. needs to be on that one site (The MSOG). Don't know if Doug is interested in adding a bunch of new stuff, but it would be good if it could be done.
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