Re: M_Boats: Bow chocks for M17 with aluminum toe-rail.
My M17, Sweet Pea, as aluminum toe rails and has chocks prior owner installed. They work fine. When I return to the shop from the arizona trip I'm currently on I'll take pictures to share. :: dave scobie :: m17 #373 sweet pea - www.m17-375.webs.com swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
I am planning to keep my 1976 M17 (aluminum toe-rails) on a mooring this summer, but it is curiously bereft of bow chocks and I'm trying to decide what to do about that. The toe-rails are pretty smooth; do people just put some chafe gear on their mooring pendant and let it hang over the side? If not, what have people done to integrate bow chocks with the aluminum toe-rail? Photos of particularly elegant solutions would be appreciated. Thanks.
Thanks. Looking forward to seeing photos of what others have done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 3:25:55 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow chocks for M17 with aluminum toe-rail. My M17, Sweet Pea, as aluminum toe rails and has chocks prior owner installed. They work fine. When I return to the shop from the arizona trip I'm currently on I'll take pictures to share. :: dave scobie :: m17 #373 sweet pea - www.m17-375.webs.com swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
I am planning to keep my 1976 M17 (aluminum toe-rails) on a mooring this summer, but it is curiously bereft of bow chocks and I'm trying to decide what to do about that. The toe-rails are pretty smooth; do people just put some chafe gear on their mooring pendant and let it hang over the side? If not, what have people done to integrate bow chocks with the aluminum toe-rail? Photos of particularly elegant solutions would be appreciated. Thanks.
I have posted on the trailersailor.com Montgomery forum pictures of SWEET PEA's (M17 #375) bow chocks. direct link - http://forum.trailersailor.com/post.php?id=1374760 post on the trailersailor forum, or on this listproc, if more detail is needed. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 3/7/14, Dave Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote: My M17, Sweet Pea, as aluminum toe rails and has chocks prior owner installed. They work fine. When I return to the shop from the arizona trip I'm currently on I'll take pictures to share. :: dave scobie :: m17 #373 sweet pea - www.m17-375.webs.com swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
I am planning to keep my 1976 M17 (aluminum toe-rails) on a mooring this summer, but it is curiously bereft of bow chocks and I'm trying to decide what to do about that. The toe-rails are pretty smooth; do people just put some chafe gear on their mooring pendant and let it hang over the side? If not, what have people done to integrate bow chocks with the aluminum toe-rail? Photos of particularly elegant solutions would be appreciated. Thanks.
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
Tyler: towing capacity of 2500lbs will be the minimum. i pull my M17 with a 4.0L Ford Ranger with a standard shift (standard shifts have less towing capacity than an automatic). :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/11/14, Tyler Heerwagen <theerwagen@yahoo.com> wrote: I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
Tyler, I have a 327 chevy pickup with a towing package and it works fine. Tom B On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Tyler Heerwagen <theerwagen@yahoo.com>wrote:
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
I have pulled my M17 package (3000 lbs.) with a 1976 Ford F-250 pickup, and could hardly feel it back there (I bought it for towing a Nor'Sea 27 at 12,000 lbs.) Certainly my 2010 Toyota 4Runner with a 6 cylinder engine and automatic transmission is also more than adequate. One fellow pulls his 17 quite nicely with a turbo-charged Subaru (an outback, I think), but he had to move the axle forward a bit to reduce the tongue weight. Of course this is nice because you don't need to buy a dedicated tow vehicle. Tom Jenkins On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Tyler Heerwagen wrote:
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
I have pulled my M17 with a 2004 Subaru Forester turbo with no problems. It was rated at 2400 pound towing capacity and I have brakes on the boat trailer. Engine was rated at 210 hp. GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. On Mar 11, 2014, at 10:36 AM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I have pulled my M17 package (3000 lbs.) with a 1976 Ford F-250 pickup, and could hardly feel it back there (I bought it for towing a Nor'Sea 27 at 12,000 lbs.) Certainly my 2010 Toyota 4Runner with a 6 cylinder engine and automatic transmission is also more than adequate. One fellow pulls his 17 quite nicely with a turbo-charged Subaru (an outback, I think), but he had to move the axle forward a bit to reduce the tongue weight. Of course this is nice because you don't need to buy a dedicated tow vehicle.
Tom Jenkins
On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Tyler Heerwagen wrote:
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
I tow with a 06 base model Toyota Tacoma, 4 cyl, 2.7l 5 speed standard transmission. (176 hp) Rated tow capacity is 3000. It's good on flat land, have to downshift for hills, but will do 70 in 3rd so it's been ok. It's a little iffy on a steep ramp, but I use wheel chocks and find the friction point of the clutch gingerly. I would not use a smaller capacity vehicle as I've found the Tacoma meets the minimum requirement with some "pucker factor". Mitch Carnes M-17 656 ________________________________ From: Tyler Heerwagen <theerwagen@yahoo.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:30 PM Subject: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17? I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
I would say a lot depends on where you are planning to tow. Drop down a gear and most vehicles will move it down the road. At least for short trips Stopping the rig while coming down a steep hill in the rain from 60 per might be another story. Other tasks the car will be called on to perform will also enter in. I loved pulling my 15 with a 3/4 4x4 chevy with an 8.1 and Allison. Way overkill, but I needed it for plowing and pulling my RV. Just sold that and bought a 2wd van w/ 6.0. (12 in town, 18 @ 65 solo) I can camp in the van, carry canoes or kayaks and still pull the RV or bote. This year we will probably day trip the 15 behind mama's 4runner at least part of the time just to have 4wd at the ramp. One thing that usually doesn't get mentioned: the bigger the tow, the less mileage you drop towing. Most folks haul kids around town a lot more than they tow a boat, so those elements necessarily factor in higher. HTH Mike in MI (mostly white here yet) -----Original Message----- From: Tyler Heerwagen Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17? I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
I have found that my older Ford Ranger V-6 tows my M-15 OK. Tried to tow it with my newer Subaru Forester, but the Subaru does not seem to have enough muscle to do the job on steep launch ramps or steep hills. Although the Subaru is an easier hitch connection for short trips on level terrain. I would be skeptical about the advertisements of some smaller cars, just because they advertise doesn't mean their marketing department has ever really tried to be the slow vehicle with impatient traffic behind it. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: <speedernut2@gmail.com> To: "Tyler Heerwagen" <theerwagen@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17?
I would say a lot depends on where you are planning to tow.
Drop down a gear and most vehicles will move it down the road. At least for short trips
Stopping the rig while coming down a steep hill in the rain from 60 per might be another story.
Other tasks the car will be called on to perform will also enter in.
I loved pulling my 15 with a 3/4 4x4 chevy with an 8.1 and Allison. Way overkill, but I needed it for plowing and pulling my RV.
Just sold that and bought a 2wd van w/ 6.0. (12 in town, 18 @ 65 solo) I can camp in the van, carry canoes or kayaks and still pull the RV or bote.
This year we will probably day trip the 15 behind mama's 4runner at least part of the time just to have 4wd at the ramp.
One thing that usually doesn't get mentioned: the bigger the tow, the less mileage you drop towing. Most folks haul kids around town a lot more than they tow a boat, so those elements necessarily factor in higher.
HTH
Mike in MI (mostly white here yet)
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Heerwagen Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17?
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
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I use a Saab 9-3. I used a 2001 and a 2004. Tows without problem. I have covered mountain passes. I get around 20mpg towing and around 30 mpg the rest of the time. I should also mention that the Saab is much nicer to drive than any pickup or van. greg gorchels On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:58 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote: I have found that my older Ford Ranger V-6 tows my M-15 OK. Tried to tow it with my newer Subaru Forester, but the Subaru does not seem to have enough muscle to do the job on steep launch ramps or steep hills. Although the Subaru is an easier hitch connection for short trips on level terrain. I would be skeptical about the advertisements of some smaller cars, just because they advertise doesn't mean their marketing department has ever really tried to be the slow vehicle with impatient traffic behind it. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: <speedernut2@gmail.com> To: "Tyler Heerwagen" <theerwagen@yahoo.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 2:32 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17?
I would say a lot depends on where you are planning to tow.
Drop down a gear and most vehicles will move it down the road. At least for short trips
Stopping the rig while coming down a steep hill in the rain from 60 per might be another story.
Other tasks the car will be called on to perform will also enter in.
I loved pulling my 15 with a 3/4 4x4 chevy with an 8.1 and Allison. Way overkill, but I needed it for plowing and pulling my RV.
Just sold that and bought a 2wd van w/ 6.0. (12 in town, 18 @ 65 solo) I can camp in the van, carry canoes or kayaks and still pull the RV or bote.
This year we will probably day trip the 15 behind mama's 4runner at least part of the time just to have 4wd at the ramp.
One thing that usually doesn't get mentioned: the bigger the tow, the less mileage you drop towing. Most folks haul kids around town a lot more than they tow a boat, so those elements necessarily factor in higher.
HTH
Mike in MI (mostly white here yet)
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Heerwagen Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 3:30 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Vehicle for towing an M17?
I know this may be a re-hash of an old topic, but can any of you opine on the needs for towing an M17? Want a vehicle with sufficient margin. Any recommendations or lessons learned appreciated. Thanks Tyler Heerwagen
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