Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better. I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
Tyler, I have a 1982 M17 which has been moored for 6-7 months each year for the past 4 years in saltwater. My M17 has steel punchings in the keel and a cast iron centre board. I have had no problems, that said I am very careful with the maintenance. The internal trunk liner is carefully sealed with interlux barrier coat and inspected annually. The bottom of the boat is also sealed with barrier coat which of course has also has a frequently maintained coat of anti-fouling. I also regularly sandblast & barrier coat the cast Iron centre board as well as apply anti fouling. I find I don't need anti-fouling on the internals of the trunk itself as the proximity of the anit-fouled centre board and is sufficient to keep things clear... So far its worked just fine. Keith *Keith R. Martin* *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* *Serenity M17, #353* *http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 <http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105>* On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 09:37, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better.
I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
I have had my M-15 on Puget Sound for several years and found that a thorough scrubbing with fresh water and a long handle brush suffices during the summer at least once a month or more frequently. I tip the boat while it is in the boat slip to expose as much of the hull as I can, then do the other side, and flush the center board with fresh water when the board is raised in the housing, also flush the kicker outboard. The season is followed by a thorough soap and fresh water scrubbing, top to bottom, while on the trailer after the last haul out. Also fresh water rinse the trailer when the boat is in the water and zirk the trailer wheel bearings after the last haul out. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Mooring an M15 long term in saltwater Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better. I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
Hi Steve, That sounds great. Does this regular scrubbing work instead of, or in addition to anti-fouling paint? Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@Q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 10:25:38 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Mooring an M15 long term in saltwater I have had my M-15 on Puget Sound for several years and found that a thorough scrubbing with fresh water and a long handle brush suffices during the summer at least once a month or more frequently. I tip the boat while it is in the boat slip to expose as much of the hull as I can, then do the other side, and flush the center board with fresh water when the board is raised in the housing, also flush the kicker outboard. The season is followed by a thorough soap and fresh water scrubbing, top to bottom, while on the trailer after the last haul out. Also fresh water rinse the trailer when the boat is in the water and zirk the trailer wheel bearings after the last haul out. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 9:36 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Mooring an M15 long term in saltwater Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better. I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
Hi Tyler, In addition to advice from Monty owners, it is a good idea to talk to sailors in your waters, too. Certainly there must be other swing keelers to give advice in your area. It can be rather specific to areas. At our little marina we don't need bottom paint-- it alternates fresh water and salt. (The salt kills the freshwater critters, the fresh kills the salt friendly ones.) We've also seen powerboat outdrives reduced to mush in *freshwater* dockage (Lake Winnipisaukee) due to all the electrical current in the water, when zincs were not regularly replaced. Don't forget your outboard. It can be tempting to keep in lowered to reduce visibility for thieves, but it will collect barnacles like crazy without bottom paint. Burt Monty 12; American Daysailer 16, etc. On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 12:37 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better.
I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
Agreed re. the swing keel-- I kept our iron keel Mariner 19 barrier coated and antifouled and had no problems with anything in the trunk in saltwater mooring. Also, if you DO get a mess, OSPHO... phosphoric acid I think, can help get the sculch and such off fiberglass and its cheap. It is what some of the yards use to get the brown scum waterline mess off when they haul boats for storage-- and then charge a pretty penny for the cleaning! Just gear up for it. Here, most commercial fishermen have no bottom paint on their boats... mostly 28' to 40'ers. They tie them to a piling so the boat will lean on it when the tide goes out, then spray bleach on them occasionally. It only takes a light spray--does not need to be running off on the ground. Then, back to fishing next tide and the stuff falls off the hull. Burt Monty 12, American Daysailer 16 On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 12:37 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better.
I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
For periods longer than two to three weeks (depends on local conditions) you want antifouling paint. Specific type depends on what others in the same location have found works well - some paints work great at one place and not another. Whichever you choose make sure it works for trailerable boats: meaning it can be left out of the water indefinitely. Many paints lose effectiveness after a few weeks to a month. You need to drop the centerboard and then antifoul the boat and board. The trunk really doesn't need paint as with the board in and leeching biocide & herbicide and little/no light growth isn't an issue. As you can reach a few inches into the truck it doesn't hurt to prep (ie, recommended sanding based on the paint supplier) and antifoul. Concerning water getting into the steel ballast in keel and centerboard. The usual way water gets in is through damage to the shoal keel and centerboard's shell. Any location with damage repair using fiberglass and epoxy. Next look at the seam that runs along the edges of the centerboard. Any cracking along the seam is suspect and should be fiberglassed and epoxied. Next look at the seam along the bottom of the centerboard trunk and the keel. (Talking exterior here not where the truck goes through the cabin sole.) This is where the trunk was placed against the bottom of the shoal keel (before the ballast was poured into the keel). This butt joint was fiberglassed on the inside, then the outside smoothed with thickened resin and gel coated over. Any cracking needs to be repaired (again epoxy resin). Don't make the centerboard slot smaller as the board will not fit - clearance is only 1/8" or so on each side of the board. Barrier coat is a personal choice. If the boat will spend the winters out of the water I'd consider no barrier coat.(example: my M17 SWEET PEA spent spring/summer/fall in Puget Sound on a buoy and on trailer winter has no barrier coat and no blister problems.) Follow the application recommendations for the products you use _to_the_letter_. Shortcuts lead to adhesion failure and generally not working like it should. Tyler, let me know if anything is unclear. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 9:37 AM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Does anyone have information on mooring an M15 long term in seawater? Is it feasible or will it cause major damage? My boat has a lead centerboard, but iron in the keel. I have added epoxy, cloth, and gelcoat to the trunk liner-hull seam to hopefully seal it better.
I suppose if I were to moor it, I would pull the centerboard to put anti-fouling inside the trunk, and on the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 S/V Defiant #157
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