I have set up an arrangement with Osprey that holds the locker closed, with nothing showing from the outside. I have a padeye riveted to the inside of the locker hatch, and one set at a diagonal directly below it on the inner wall of the locker. There is also a clam cleat just opposite the aft end of the sink, on the inside of the cockkpit's side. I run a 1/4 inch line from the locker top through the padeye in the locker, then to the clam cleat. I merely tug the line tight, and put it into the clam and it's secure. Howard can perhaps describe this system, but it's easy, unobtrusive and inexpensive. TH
[Original Message] From: Smith, Tom <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: 1/16/2003 6:52:56 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: self righting
The M15 cb is really very lightweight. I doubt its deployment would = have helped Murray. And it is possible the board being down would help = but probably more so in the case of large seas, as in my understanding, = it's getting the boat up off horizontal on a steep swell that causes it = to more easily trip. =20
I'm with you on the hasp deal, and I've considered them but just = neglected to do anything about the situation. Any recommendations of = great, unobtrusive, locker hasps? t=20
Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar
-----Original Message----- From: Honshells [mailto:chonshell@ia4u.net] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:44 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: self righting
Practically every boat review I've read says boats (of all sizes) should have hasps on their cockpit lockers, a feature many manufacturers don't offer (easy enough for buyers to add their own). After reading Murray's post, I'm considering them more seriously.
Would a centerboard retracted into its trunk inhibit righting? The = result is less surface to brace against to right the boat, but the Montys' = ballast is slung low, either way.
Another question: I have been told that when conditions get dicey, I'm = less likely to suffer a knock-down if the board is up. The theory is that, without the board's resistance, the boat will "skitter" sideways in a = gust, rather than going over. What's the consensus?
----- Original Message ----- From: <s.mcclellan@attbi.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: self righting
Murray--I agree with Rich that the details of your experience with the = M-15 knock-down would be of interest to all of us.
Whatever details you can provide about the events leading up to it could help us to avoid losing all the stuff in our cockpit lockers as well.
One other question: did you notice-- did the centerboard swing back up = into the slot when she went over? It seems likely given your description of her position in the water, and if so, then it is very possible that this contributed to the lack of self-righting, and it would behoove M15 = owners to seriously consider some kind of down-position locking mechanism for the centerboard.
Also, what kind of positive floatation does she carry. This was a big discussion in this group last winter. I personally have NO added = floatation in my M15, but I know a lot of people do, and I am definitely planning to add = some sooner or later. (Maybe a lot sooner, now that I've heard your story.)
Thanks for sharing!
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Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago
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This is the same system Thomas setup on the former Osprey (later Blue Feather Grace, and now Audasea), before his current Osprey. It works just as he describes it and doesn¹t require an additional lock. Normally, I just use it to secure the hatch at the dock and when the boat was left on the storage lot, but it would make sense to use it in rough weather. From now on, I will. One would also want to have the forward hatch closed and locked too. In Murray¹s situation, I can only imagine how exciting it would have been had the boat gone over far enough to toss them both out, but not far enough so that she couldn¹t right herself and she sailed on without them. One can almost see the need for a harness and a sturdy clip point if you were going to venture out far enough you couldn¹t swim to shore if rough weather caught you. Funny how we fret about this stuff now, when over the last two years, I¹ve spent much more time sitting or motoring on glass calm water than fighting too much wind. But the motto of the Boy Scout is ³be prepared². Howard M17, #278 Audasea On 1/17/03 11:37 AM, "Thomas Howe" <thomashowe@earthlink.net> wrote:
I have set up an arrangement with Osprey that holds the locker closed, with nothing showing from the outside. I have a padeye riveted to the inside of the locker hatch, and one set at a diagonal directly below it on the inner wall of the locker. There is also a clam cleat just opposite the aft end of the sink, on the inside of the cockkpit's side. I run a 1/4 inch line from the locker top through the padeye in the locker, then to the clam cleat. I merely tug the line tight, and put it into the clam and it's secure. Howard can perhaps describe this system, but it's easy, unobtrusive and inexpensive. TH
"Funny how we fret about this stuff now, when over the last two years, I've spent much more time sitting or motoring on glass calm water than fighting too much wind." I can relate. I like your boat name, Howard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Cockpit locker closure This is the same system Thomas setup on the former Osprey (later Blue Feather Grace, and now Audasea), before his current Osprey. It works just as he describes it and doesn't require an additional lock. Normally, I just use it to secure the hatch at the dock and when the boat was left on the storage lot, but it would make sense to use it in rough weather. From now on, I will. One would also want to have the forward hatch closed and locked too. In Murray's situation, I can only imagine how exciting it would have been had the boat gone over far enough to toss them both out, but not far enough so that she couldn¹t right herself and she sailed on without them. One can almost see the need for a harness and a sturdy clip point if you were going to venture out far enough you couldn¹t swim to shore if rough weather caught you. Funny how we fret about this stuff now, when over the last two years, I've spent much more time sitting or motoring on glass calm water than fighting too much wind. But the motto of the Boy Scout is "be prepared". Howard M17, #278 Audasea
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