The discussion about rudders prompts me to comment. I admit I only really know our boat, which I believe uses a stock rudder, but I can't imagine any way to improve it. On our boat the rudder is raised and lowered by applying an up-and-down motion to the tiller. It is easy to quickly put the rudder up or down or even put it halfway if you hold the tiller right. If we hit rocks or the bottom the rudder kicks up on its own so it doesn't tear itself out of the boat. As far as I know, the rudder has never come near our propeller. It sounds like the Ida rudder setup would be similar but slower to get up or down. I would think a rudder that retracts straight up wouldn't allow protection from running into things. Anyway, my thoughts. I like the stock rudder. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
I agree, having sailed a number of other boats, I think my M-15 in stock condition, the way Jerry built it, is fine, and content with it the way it is, stock rudder and all. However, I will admit to having chewed up my rudder in the propeller once, and having added a vent to the front of the cabin. Steve M- 15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder The discussion about rudders prompts me to comment. I admit I only really know our boat, which I believe uses a stock rudder, but I can't imagine any way to improve it. On our boat the rudder is raised and lowered by applying an up-and-down motion to the tiller. It is easy to quickly put the rudder up or down or even put it halfway if you hold the tiller right. If we hit rocks or the bottom the rudder kicks up on its own so it doesn't tear itself out of the boat. As far as I know, the rudder has never come near our propeller. It sounds like the Ida rudder setup would be similar but slower to get up or down. I would think a rudder that retracts straight up wouldn't allow protection from running into things. Anyway, my thoughts. I like the stock rudder. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
The M15 rudder and the M17 rudders are different animals. I'm not sure what year Jerry went to the kickup M15 rudder, but having owned an M15, I agree it's a wonderful solution. The original M17 rudder did not lift at all. The next (and final) generation lifted straight up on a shaft maybe a foot or 18 inches. The IdaRudder is a vast improvement kickup-wise, though I don't know if the foil is an improvement or not. t
Does anybody have a side view picture of an M15 rudder? I would like to see Jerry's idea about a perfect rudder. My original Montgomery 17 had the"slide up and down a ss bar". It raised and lowered straight up and down with a simple line led through a hole in the rudder with one end attached to a pad eye, the other end made fast to a deck cleat. It raised and lowered easily but now that I think about it there was little chance it would have raised itself due to thin water. Most likely it would have torn out the lower grudgeon. I sailed it mostly over very soft bottoms here in east Texas so grounding was more of a smersh than a smash. On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 7:17 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
The M15 rudder and the M17 rudders are different animals. I'm not sure what year Jerry went to the kickup M15 rudder, but having owned an M15, I agree it's a wonderful solution.
The original M17 rudder did not lift at all. The next (and final) generation lifted straight up on a shaft maybe a foot or 18 inches.
The IdaRudder is a vast improvement kickup-wise, though I don't know if the foil is an improvement or not. t
Steve When you installed the vent in the front of the cabin where did you locate it and how did you makeup for the deck curvature? George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:31 PM To: David Grah; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder I agree, having sailed a number of other boats, I think my M-15 in stock condition, the way Jerry built it, is fine, and content with it the way it is, stock rudder and all. However, I will admit to having chewed up my rudder in the propeller once, and having added a vent to the front of the cabin. Steve M- 15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder The discussion about rudders prompts me to comment. I admit I only really know our boat, which I believe uses a stock rudder, but I can't imagine any way to improve it. On our boat the rudder is raised and lowered by applying an up-and-down motion to the tiller. It is easy to quickly put the rudder up or down or even put it halfway if you hold the tiller right. If we hit rocks or the bottom the rudder kicks up on its own so it doesn't tear itself out of the boat. As far as I know, the rudder has never come near our propeller. It sounds like the Ida rudder setup would be similar but slower to get up or down. I would think a rudder that retracts straight up wouldn't allow protection from running into things. Anyway, my thoughts. I like the stock rudder. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
George, I used an oval shaped port window that opens like a port hole on a hinge with a screen, purchased from a marine supplier in Port Townsend, Washington. Then I used a piece of teak wood to shape a frame to fit the curve and slant of the front slope of the cabin. It works nicely, like a port window or port hole that can be opened for ventilation or shut against weather. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; "'David Grah'" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
Steve
When you installed the vent in the front of the cabin where did you locate it and how did you makeup for the deck curvature?
George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:31 PM To: David Grah; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
I agree, having sailed a number of other boats, I think my M-15 in stock condition, the way Jerry built it, is fine, and content with it the way it is, stock rudder and all. However, I will admit to having chewed up my rudder in the propeller once, and having added a vent to the front of the cabin. Steve M- 15 # 335 South Puget Sound
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
The discussion about rudders prompts me to comment. I admit I only really know our boat, which I believe uses a stock rudder, but I can't imagine any way to improve it. On our boat the rudder is raised and lowered by applying an up-and-down motion to the tiller. It is easy to quickly put the rudder up or down or even put it halfway if you hold the tiller right. If we hit rocks or the bottom the rudder kicks up on its own so it doesn't tear itself out of the boat. As far as I know, the rudder has never come near our propeller. It sounds like the Ida rudder setup would be similar but slower to get up or down. I would think a rudder that retracts straight up wouldn't allow protection from running into things. Anyway, my thoughts. I like the stock rudder.
David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
Steve, Which surface on your boat did you mount your vent on? Tom B On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 11:44 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
George, I used an oval shaped port window that opens like a port hole on a hinge with a screen, purchased from a marine supplier in Port Townsend, Washington. Then I used a piece of teak wood to shape a frame to fit the curve and slant of the front slope of the cabin. It works nicely, like a port window or port hole that can be opened for ventilation or shut against weather. Steve
----- Original Message ----- From: "George R. Iemmolo" <griemmolo2@gmail.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; "'David Grah'" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 9:07 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
Steve
When you installed the vent in the front of the cabin where did you locate it and how did you makeup for the deck curvature?
George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 6:31 PM To: David Grah; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
I agree, having sailed a number of other boats, I think my M-15 in stock condition, the way Jerry built it, is fine, and content with it the way it is, stock rudder and all. However, I will admit to having chewed up my rudder in the propeller once, and having added a vent to the front of the cabin. Steve M- 15 # 335 South Puget Sound
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Grah" <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 4:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Rudder
The discussion about rudders prompts me to comment. I admit I only really know our boat, which I believe uses a stock rudder, but I can't imagine any way to improve it. On our boat the rudder is raised and lowered by applying an up-and-down motion to the tiller. It is easy to quickly put the rudder up or down or even put it halfway if you hold the tiller right. If we hit rocks or the bottom the rudder kicks up on its own so it doesn't tear itself out of the boat. As far as I know, the rudder has never come near our propeller. It sounds like the Ida rudder setup would be similar but slower to get up or down. I would think a rudder that retracts straight up wouldn't allow protection from running into things. Anyway, my thoughts. I like the stock rudder.
David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California
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