Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
you can't put a backstay on a standard M15 because of the large roach in the main. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Of course you can. But you'll have to reduce the size of the main, or fool with the mast head fitting to accommodate a backstay. Almost anything is possible Bert. Just because nobody has done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. t On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
you can't put a backstay on a standard M15 because of the large roach in the main.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
An alternative is to hoist the main first, sheet it in tight, and use it as a substitute back stay. Worked fine on my M15. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 2, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course you can. But you'll have to reduce the size of the main, or fool with the mast head fitting to accommodate a backstay. Almost anything is possible Bert. Just because nobody has done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. t
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
you can't put a backstay on a standard M15 because of the large roach in the main.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
You create 'backstay tension' by keeping the M15's mainsheet tight. This is why you need to reef the M15 appropriately in order to keep mainsheet tight and the main's leech tight. Luffing the M15 main will make the boat heal more as the mast leans forward and the forestay sags causing the jib to bag. :: Dave Scobie On Sep 2, 2015 7:21 PM, "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
An alternative is to hoist the main first, sheet it in tight, and use it as a substitute back stay. Worked fine on my M15.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 2, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course you can. But you'll have to reduce the size of the main, or fool with the mast head fitting to accommodate a backstay. Almost anything is possible Bert. Just because nobody has done it, doesn't mean it can't be done. t
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
you can't put a backstay on a standard M15 because of the large roach in the main.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking. I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later. Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hi Guys, Gary Gilbert here in Massachusetts with M-15, Hull No. 667, "Frolic". This is my first post to the list. I too am thinking of trying a backstay on the 15. I have the aft rail, which puts a possible attachment point higher, and with a short extended masthead crane, I think I can clear the roach. I should be able to rig this in a temporary manner and test it out. I'm attaching a drawing, I hope it works. Best, Gary On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
-- Gary Wayne Gilbert BOSTON COLLEGE Director of University Photography Photo Editor, Boston College Magazine Office of Marketing Communications 617-552-4628
Hey Gary Good to hear from you! Hope you're enjoying your boat. I really don't see a need for a backstay on an M 15 rig. The rig works fine as is. Be well Gary Bob Sent from my iPad
On Sep 4, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Gary Gilbert <gary.gilbert@bc.edu> wrote:
Hi Guys,
Gary Gilbert here in Massachusetts with M-15, Hull No. 667, "Frolic". This is my first post to the list.
I too am thinking of trying a backstay on the 15. I have the aft rail, which puts a possible attachment point higher, and with a short extended masthead crane, I think I can clear the roach. I should be able to rig this in a temporary manner and test it out.
I'm attaching a drawing, I hope it works.
Best,
Gary
On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 12:04 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
-- Gary Wayne Gilbert BOSTON COLLEGE Director of University Photography Photo Editor, Boston College Magazine Office of Marketing Communications 617-552-4628 <M15withBackstay.jpg>
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all? Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him - On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds. -- Jerry Montgomery On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hi all, I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH. -----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15 Hi all, I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Bert, I'm working this weekend and will try again with picture tomorrow. David Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hi Again David,If you can find time I would still be interested in receiving pictures, measurements etc for the backstay you have on your M-15. My boat is now on the hard so I can start the backstay project. Thanks RTH. -----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15 Bert, I'm working this weekend and will try again with picture tomorrow. David Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
David, I too have an interest! Many thanks, Gary Gary Gilbert M-15 Hull # 667 FROLIC On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:13 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi Again David,If you can find time I would still be interested in receiving pictures, measurements etc for the backstay you have on your M-15. My boat is now on the hard so I can start the backstay project. Thanks RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:59 PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Bert, I'm working this weekend and will try again with picture tomorrow. David
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com>
wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used
running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the
main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how?
RTH.
-- Gary Wayne Gilbert BOSTON COLLEGE Director of University Photography Photo Editor, Boston College Magazine Office of Marketing Communications 617-552-4628
Will do. David Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi Again David,If you can find time I would still be interested in receiving pictures, measurements etc for the backstay you have on your M-15. My boat is now on the hard so I can start the backstay project. Thanks RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Bert, I'm working this weekend and will try again with picture tomorrow. David
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Friends, I just sold my M15 (and bought a larger boat). I've loved being on this list, but can someone (just one) remind me how to remove my name? I can't recall how I signed up. Happy sailing to all of you. The M15 was perhaps the finest of all the boats I have owned. Thank you Jerry! Kevin Kearns -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of David Gilroy Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 12:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15 Will do. David Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi Again David,If you can find time I would still be interested in receiving pictures, measurements etc for the backstay you have on your M-15. My boat is now on the hard so I can start the backstay project. Thanks RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 4:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Bert, I'm working this weekend and will try again with picture tomorrow. David
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hello Bert, Here’s a picture of my strut at the the top of the mast. Let me know if it doesn’t come through. I’ll try and get some more pictures tomorrow. David
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Okay, can anyone help me understand how to get a picture through?
On Oct 13, 2015, at 8:39 PM, David Gilroy <dbakergilroy@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hello Bert,
Here’s a picture of my strut at the the top of the mast. Let me know if it doesn’t come through. I’ll try and get some more pictures tomorrow.
David
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
Hi David, No luck:Picture did not come through. Bert. -----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15 Hello Bert, Here’s a picture of my strut at the the top of the mast. Let me know if it doesn’t come through. I’ll try and get some more pictures tomorrow. David
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how? RTH.
For this list the picture needs to be small. Reduce to less than 200k. :: Dave Scobie On Oct 13, 2015 11:49 PM, "Bert Hall" <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hi David, No luck:Picture did not come through. Bert.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 8:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hello Bert,
Here’s a picture of my strut at the the top of the mast. Let me know if it doesn’t come through. I’ll try and get some more pictures tomorrow.
David
On Sep 19, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello David, Your e mail contained the news I wanted,though there was no sign of the intended picture. I am especially interested to know what the 6 inch strut at the mast head looks like and how it is fastened to the mast. Your help will provide me with a winter project. Thanks a lot. RTH.
-----Original Message----- From: David Gilroy Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 12:59 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Backstay on a M-15
Hi all,
I have a backstay on my M-15. It splits about 6’ up from the bottom and attaches at each stern corner. At the top of the mast it attaches to a horizontal strut that pushes it back about 6”. I’m attaching a picture. I like having a backstay. I do not like the rest of my mainsail rig which involves roller furling towards the mast. I’m soon going to rerig it to be a normal main with reef points. Best regards, David from East Granby, CT
On Sep 18, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him -
On Mike Mann's 15 we made running backstays with 1/8" wire ending in lines that fastened to the aft mooring cleats. Tyler guessed it right - used mostly for twin jibs, but also used occasionally for reading in the tradewinds.
-- Jerry Montgomery
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I don't know if anyone else can chime in on Mike Mann's setup, and how he
used it... but I was thinking perhaps he only used it for running dual headsails in the tradewinds, in order to get forestay tension without the mainsail up at all?
Tyler
On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:04 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I remember hearing that when Mike Mann sailed his M15 to Hawaii he used
running backstays. This requires two rope backstays which remain on either side of the boom and are alternately tensioned and slacked when tacking.
I think it could have some advantage in making it possible to luff the
main during a gust without losing headstay tension, allowing one to reef a little later.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Sep 2, 2015, at 1:58 PM, Bert Hall <bert.hall@bell.net> wrote:
Hello All, Has anyone installed a back stay on a M-15 and if so, how?
RTH.
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