For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> . I hope this helps. Have a great weekend all. Cheers, Tim D. in BC.
Good job Tim. The photos are exceptionally clear. Bill On 4/27/08, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .
I hope this helps.
Have a great weekend all.
Cheers, Tim D. in BC. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks Bill, appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bill Lamica Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul Good job Tim. The photos are exceptionally clear. Bill On 4/27/08, Tim Diebert <tim@timtone.com> wrote:
For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> .
I hope this helps.
Have a great weekend all.
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Tim, Bravo, dude! Your pictures and text are a veritable how-to manual for easy reefing and jib dousing. They will serve as a chapter in the Montgomery 17 manual that no one seems to have written yet. As always, though, I have additional questions. You put all the first reef gear to starboard and the second reef to port, requiring some type of anchoring devices in the tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing line could not go through the double block on the starboard side, through the tack cringle, down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew cringle and the starboard padeye? Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. Do you even have a full set of lifelines? Thanks again for your great information. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> . I hope this helps. Have a great weekend all. Cheers, Tim D. in BC. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Tom said: "As always, though, I have additional questions. You put all the first reef gear to starboard and the second reef to port, requiring some type of anchoring devices in the tack cringles. Is there a reason why the reefing line could not go through the double block on the starboard side, through the tack cringle, down to the other double, and aft to the block, the clew cringle and the starboard padeye? "
Yes, you could do that. It works perfectly for a single set. But the issue arrises with wanting to have two sets and as little hardware as possible. If you had a double on either either side of the boom forward(as there is now) ...you could utilize one shiv of the double for the first and the other for the 2nd .....but then you would have two different lines with two different functions on each double. I have found that by isolating the lines they are easier to keep clear and sorted. Once reefed even one in there is loose sail and the 2nd set of reef lines to deal with. Having all the lines and gear on one side seems to help me keep it straight. Pulling down on one side of the tack does tend to twist the boom a bit...but there is no issue with sail shape or performance.
Anyway, your boat is obviously loaded for bear. Do you even have a full set of lifelines?
The boat is not quite where I would like it yet but thanks. PUFF came with lifelines (and the name...) The jury is out on these. Some days I find them handy....other days they seem completely in the way and even a bit dangerous. The boat is pretty small to close in side decks like that. But when you are sitting on the foredeck with your legs straddling the bow trying to change down sail in larger waves, those lines are mightly handy. For those days alone is why they remain.
Thanks again for your great information.
My pleasure. I hope it helps. Give and get.
Sunny and warm today, I am off to sail. Cheers, Tim in BC. ======================================== Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:43 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Single Line Reefing and Jib Downhaul For whoever was interested in this two reef single line system and the jib downhaul I use. Images and explanation posted to a web page here <http://www.timtone.com/monty/singlelinereefing.htm> . I hope this helps. Have a great weekend all. Cheers, Tim D. in BC. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.6/1404 - Release Date: 4/29/2008 6:27 PM
Listers, I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples? Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement? Thanks in advance, Robbin
Robbin, For a boat the size of our 15s and 17s you may want to consider a P.E.T.T. Toilet. Here's a link. http://www.thepett.com/index.php?PageLayout=PRODUCTS&headerID2=36&pageID=98 Rik "There's a reason why bankers drive Cadillacs and the rest of us drive Chevies. Bankers collect interest,... The rest of us pay it" .... Rik Sandberg robbin roddewig wrote: Listers,
I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?
Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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Robbin, Forgot to add .... Best prices I've found on the PETT and accessories have been at Bass Pro Shops. Rik "There's a reason why bankers drive Cadillacs and the rest of us drive Chevies. Bankers collect interest,... The rest of us pay it" .... Rik Sandberg robbin roddewig wrote:
Listers, I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?
Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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Robbin: I installed a bimini on my 2005 M17. See 3 pictures at: http://gallery.mac.com/gmhyde1#100120&bgcolor=black&view=grid I installed the bimini top listed in the 2005 West Marine catalog on page 831--the competition skiboat bimini that is 4 feet long, 30 inches high, and available in 3 widths. I chose the width that matched the toe rail boat width at the point where the bimini attaches to the toe rail. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On May 4, 2008, at 10:46 AM, robbin roddewig wrote:
Listers, I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?
Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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Gary: That looks like a practical arrangement. Have you sailed with it rigged? Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648 On May 9, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Gary M Hyde wrote:
Robbin: I installed a bimini on my 2005 M17. See 3 pictures at: http://gallery.mac.com/gmhyde1#100120&bgcolor=black&view=grid
I installed the bimini top listed in the 2005 West Marine catalog on page 831--the competition skiboat bimini that is 4 feet long, 30 inches high, and available in 3 widths. I chose the width that matched the toe rail boat width at the point where the bimini attaches to the toe rail. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On May 4, 2008, at 10:46 AM, robbin roddewig wrote:
Listers, I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?
Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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Jim: Yes, I sail with it a lot in the hot weather. I did move the mainsheet attachment point on the boom forward to allow that. ----Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On May 9, 2008, at 3:18 PM, James Poulakis wrote:
Gary: That looks like a practical arrangement. Have you sailed with it rigged?
Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648
On May 9, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Gary M Hyde wrote:
Robbin: I installed a bimini on my 2005 M17. See 3 pictures at: http://gallery.mac.com/gmhyde1#100120&bgcolor=black&view=grid
I installed the bimini top listed in the 2005 West Marine catalog on page 831--the competition skiboat bimini that is 4 feet long, 30 inches high, and available in 3 widths. I chose the width that matched the toe rail boat width at the point where the bimini attaches to the toe rail. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On May 4, 2008, at 10:46 AM, robbin roddewig wrote:
Listers, I have been asked by the admiral to look into the installation of a Bimini on the flag ship of the fleet, my M-17. I do not see any other examples of 17's with a Bimini and I could not see where Bob Eeg offers this as an option on the new boats. Has anyone done this, considered this or are there good reasons I am not seeing other examples?
Does anyone else have a built in head? I have avoided the thing since I purchased the boat (on the general philosophy of ignorance is bliss) but may want to use it in the upcoming Chesapeake Bay cruise. Any advice on this rather indelicate topic? Looked like West Marine had some stuff to put in the tank, which I am assuming it has since there is a vent and a pump out fitting with hoses attached going to the deck. Will the head go back to inert once it is pumped out? Should I consider a portable replacement?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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