Hi all, On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat? Thoughts? Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
Rusty IMHO; hang the jib at 15-20 knots when you reef the main. Or, forget about the jib entirely. You’re not going to claw off a lee in that boat, so you’re looking to go abeam to wind and sea at best and get clear of it all— which can be done on the mainsail. Hopefully you’ve got the sea room to find protection before everything comes to grief. 40 knots in an M15 would be my version of a living hell— Respect, Peter SV Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:34 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat?
Thoughts?
Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
Reef the main, dump the jib and if you really need to point higher, start the engine and motor sail. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peter Kick via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: 1/27/19 10:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Storm jib Rusty IMHO; hang the jib at 15-20 knots when you reef the main. Or, forget about the jib entirely. You’re not going to claw off a lee in that boat, so you’re looking to go abeam to wind and sea at best and get clear of it all— which can be done on the mainsail. Hopefully you’ve got the sea room to find protection before everything comes to grief. 40 knots in an M15 would be my version of a living hell— Respect, Peter SV Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:34 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat?
Thoughts?
Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
It's tippy up front for sure, If you want to use the storm jib, you probably aren't going to want to stay up front forvery long maybe some quick carabiners might be nicer instead of fussy little hanks, so you just get whatyou want as quickly as possible....it's not a beauty contest at that point.....If you had it prepared ahead oftime (carbiners on uphaul and downhaul and jib lines, maybe you could make it as painless as possible.... (of course assuming you don't want to just drop everything and motor like hell home :-) From: msminchome via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: Peter Kick <peterkick@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Storm jib Reef the main, dump the jib and if you really need to point higher, start the engine and motor sail. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Peter Kick via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: 1/27/19 10:06 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Storm jib Rusty IMHO; hang the jib at 15-20 knots when you reef the main. Or, forget about the jib entirely. You’re not going to claw off a lee in that boat, so you’re looking to go abeam to wind and sea at best and get clear of it all— which can be done on the mainsail. Hopefully you’ve got the sea room to find protection before everything comes to grief. 40 knots in an M15 would be my version of a living hell— Respect, Peter SV Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:34 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat?
Thoughts?
Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
It's tippy up front for sure, Just a thought, maybe some little alum carabiners might be nicer insteadof fussy little hanks, so you don't mess around too long....it's not a beauty contest at that point... From: Peter Kick via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: Rusty Knorr <rustyinafrica@yahoo.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2019 7:07 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Storm jib Rusty IMHO; hang the jib at 15-20 knots when you reef the main. Or, forget about the jib entirely. You’re not going to claw off a lee in that boat, so you’re looking to go abeam to wind and sea at best and get clear of it all— which can be done on the mainsail. Hopefully you’ve got the sea room to find protection before everything comes to grief. 40 knots in an M15 would be my version of a living hell— Respect, Peter SV Bird Girl Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 27, 2019, at 1:34 AM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi all,
On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat?
Thoughts?
Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
40 knots dosnt just happen Reefing is done prior to needing it Capt ipuJim Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:34 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Storm jib Hi all, On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat? Thoughts? Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
I've hanked on a storm jib in my M15 in 25-30 knots, and it went fine. I found it helpful to first double reef the main, and then get into a hove-to under main alone position, as described in the Pardey's book 'Storm Tactics.' Basically this means the bow 45 degrees to the wind, and the tiller lashed slightly to leeward so the boat stays balanced at this angle to the wind. The boat will heel slightly to the lee side, which gives the stability you need to go to the bow on the windward side. I'm a big guy, but the boat still lists to leeward with my weight all the way over on the windward side under these conditions. I highly recommend a tether and jacklines while doing this. The stainless steel carabiner style hanks that can be used with one hand make it a lot easier also. In my opinion, sailing an M15 with the main alone in very strong winds isn't a good idea, because weather helm will make the boat very exhausting to control, and you will be unable to go upwind. Motoring doesn't really work in rough conditions either, since the prop will repeatedly come out of the water unless you get it so low that you risk swamping it. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2019 10:34:08 PM Subject: M_Boats: Storm jib Hi all, On my last M-15 as well as my recent purchase I have a storm jib. My question is...when you decide you need it, how the heck do you get to it?! The M-15s are precarious enough in calm weather, going forward to bend on a storm jib when it’s blowing like crazy seems not only risky, but downright dangerous. So what do you do when you leave the dock in 5 knots and your genoa, and get stuck in unpredicted 40 knot gusts where you really need that storm jib up to balance the boat? Thoughts? Rusty M-15 “Vanilla” Duckpunt “The Donkey”
On 01/28/2019 08:33 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
... The stainless steel carabiner style hanks that can be used with one hand make it a lot easier also.
Or the nylon hanks that just slip and twist on are easier one-handed also: http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/ch-fht-parent.htm cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I find the nylon twist on/off hanks easily come off as the sail is raised/lowered. My M15 had then and nothing but misery. Snap bronze hanks are much more secure, I've never had one fail, and d an be done with one hand. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 11:53 AM John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net wrote:
On 01/28/2019 08:33 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
... The stainless steel carabiner style hanks that can be used with one hand make it a lot easier also.
Or the nylon hanks that just slip and twist on are easier one-handed also: http://www.duckworksbbs.com/product-p/ch-fht-parent.htm
cheers, John
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design --------------------------------------------
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