As an old Travel Trailerer, I full support your comments on tow vheicles sizes and brake requirements. The M-15 and 17s are a piece of cake with a full size Surburban etc, if you can fine gas money, ha. By the way, as old M-15 owner of the 70's ( owning one of Jerry M's originals), I am now retired and looking for a good oldie from Jerry M's Shop - If you hear of one, please give me a heads-up, would appreciate it more that I could say. Thanks, John Odom In a message dated 6/7/2008 11:45:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, GILASAILR@aol.com writes: Right on - it ain't horsepower! I do not want be in the vicinity of some of the trailering combos I have heard of on some trailerboat lists! I have 100s of thousands of miles towing boats to 30' and 15000#s, these are not 'relaxing' drives even when properly equipped and certainly not for everyone. Because your car gets to the top of the hill does not mean a lot - can it STOP the load?? Gosh forbid you have to stand on your brakes going even 55 MPH and stop your vehicle with an M-17 or larger behind you - and the vehicle just keeps going forward - it is enough to make you get out and walk home after one of those events! No flames - Let's all Motor Safe - with the price of dinosaur juice getting to be what it is - PLEASE do not try to tow with even a marginal vehicle. Make sure the vehicle can steer and most importantly STOP the trailer! Little cars are WAY cool and will be the thing of the immediate future - Small lightweight tow vehicles will probably never exist. You need MASS to slow MASS. Big ass brakes and heavier vehicle - it ain't rocket surgery. Please Motor Safe. Check out Sean M.s rig - GO. LB/GF! M-17 # 316a 'that ain't bad gelcoat -it's "patina"! Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats **************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best 2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)