Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though. -Gerry
That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop. On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote: That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
I am now the owner of the 2010 M17 “Grace” (now “Poppy”) in the video. While de-rigging after the Lake Pleasant Messabout, Jerry commented that he’d done a number of repairs on this bow plate and strongly recommended I order a replacement from Sage. ($100 + shipping) I ordered the replacement item. Triangular in shape, this stainless plate has four bolts on each side that through-bolt the much-thicker hull/deck joint. This plate is flat, so after applying bedding, the bolts must be gradually tightened to pull it to the slight curvature of the deck. Works great. Looks great. I left the old plate in place for attaching a jackline, etc. Note... It will add approx 1” to the needed length of your forestay, so you’ll either need to add an extension toggle or have a new forestay built. Les
On May 4, 2019, at 5:08 AM, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop.
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
Wow, amazing Les! I'm glad to see you are on the list too. That's great info, I'll check with them. Thanks very much! On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 9:12:42 AM EDT, Les Schuldt <les.schuldt@gmail.com> wrote: I am now the owner of the 2010 M17 “Grace” (now “Poppy”) in the video. While de-rigging after the Lake Pleasant Messabout, Jerry commented that he’d done a number of repairs on this bow plate and strongly recommended I order a replacement from Sage. ($100 + shipping) I ordered the replacement item. Triangular in shape, this stainless plate has four bolts on each side that through-bolt the much-thicker hull/deck joint. This plate is flat, so after applying bedding, the bolts must be gradually tightened to pull it to the slight curvature of the deck. Works great. Looks great. I left the old plate in place for attaching a jackline, etc. Note... It will add approx 1” to the needed length of your forestay, so you’ll either need to add an extension toggle or have a new forestay built. Les
On May 4, 2019, at 5:08 AM, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop.
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
Do you have an idea of how much you had to pull down the Sage plate on each side? I received the flat Sage plate yesterday, and set it on my bow. With the plate level and sitting on the fiberglass, it would have to be pulled down approximately 5/8" on each side (at the rear end of plate, less at front edge). That seems like a lot for that stiff plate, and I'd be concerned about the fiberglass when trying to put that kind of stress on it. Perhaps my 1974 M17 has a substantially different bow/deck shape? On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 9:12:42 AM EDT, Les Schuldt <les.schuldt@gmail.com> wrote: I am now the owner of the 2010 M17 “Grace” (now “Poppy”) in the video. While de-rigging after the Lake Pleasant Messabout, Jerry commented that he’d done a number of repairs on this bow plate and strongly recommended I order a replacement from Sage. ($100 + shipping) I ordered the replacement item. Triangular in shape, this stainless plate has four bolts on each side that through-bolt the much-thicker hull/deck joint. This plate is flat, so after applying bedding, the bolts must be gradually tightened to pull it to the slight curvature of the deck. Works great. Looks great. I left the old plate in place for attaching a jackline, etc. Note... It will add approx 1” to the needed length of your forestay, so you’ll either need to add an extension toggle or have a new forestay built. Les
Gerry, Yeah, 5/8” is probably how much I had to pull down at the corners. I too, was clenching my jaw as I gradually tightened each bolt, expecting the glass to flatten and crack. But I remembered Jerry said that there’s a “web” of glass to support the high tension of the headstay, so I cranked away. If anything, I would expect your boat is probably stronger at the stem than my later boat. No idea about the difference in camber. You might drop a note to Jerry, Dave Scobie or Bob Eeg to find out if there was any change to the deck mold or layup schedule.
On May 17, 2019, at 4:07 AM, Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz@yahoo.com> wrote:
Do you have an idea of how much you had to pull down the Sage plate on each side? I received the flat Sage plate yesterday, and set it on my bow. With the plate level and sitting on the fiberglass, it would have to be pulled down approximately 5/8" on each side (at the rear end of plate, less at front edge). That seems like a lot for that stiff plate, and I'd be concerned about the fiberglass when trying to put that kind of stress on it. Perhaps my 1974 M17 has a substantially different bow/deck shape?
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 9:12:42 AM EDT, Les Schuldt <les.schuldt@gmail.com> wrote:
I am now the owner of the 2010 M17 “Grace” (now “Poppy”) in the video. While de-rigging after the Lake Pleasant Messabout, Jerry commented that he’d done a number of repairs on this bow plate and strongly recommended I order a replacement from Sage. ($100 + shipping) I ordered the replacement item. Triangular in shape, this stainless plate has four bolts on each side that through-bolt the much-thicker hull/deck joint. This plate is flat, so after applying bedding, the bolts must be gradually tightened to pull it to the slight curvature of the deck. Works great. Looks great. I left the old plate in place for attaching a jackline, etc.
Note... It will add approx 1” to the needed length of your forestay, so you’ll either need to add an extension toggle or have a new forestay built.
Les
Garry. Are you removing the bow light and putting the Sage bow plate OVER the existing remains of the original casted plate? :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, May 17, 2019, 4:09 AM Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Do you have an idea of how much you had to pull down the Sage plate on each side? I received the flat Sage plate yesterday, and set it on my bow. With the plate level and sitting on the fiberglass, it would have to be pulled down approximately 5/8" on each side (at the rear end of plate, less at front edge). That seems like a lot for that stiff plate, and I'd be concerned about the fiberglass when trying to put that kind of stress on it. Perhaps my 1974 M17 has a substantially different bow/deck shape?
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 9:12:42 AM EDT, Les Schuldt < les.schuldt@gmail.com> wrote:
I am now the owner of the 2010 M17 “Grace” (now “Poppy”) in the video. While de-rigging after the Lake Pleasant Messabout, Jerry commented that he’d done a number of repairs on this bow plate and strongly recommended I order a replacement from Sage. ($100 + shipping) I ordered the replacement item. Triangular in shape, this stainless plate has four bolts on each side that through-bolt the much-thicker hull/deck joint. This plate is flat, so after applying bedding, the bolts must be gradually tightened to pull it to the slight curvature of the deck. Works great. Looks great. I left the old plate in place for attaching a jackline, etc.
Note... It will add approx 1” to the needed length of your forestay, so you’ll either need to add an extension toggle or have a new forestay built.
Les
That's what I was hoping to do but after seeing it in place I am re-thinking it. It doesn't look to be a good fit on my bow. After measuring, I see I'd have to pull the back of the plate down 3/4" on each side, and I still couldn't use the front two mounting holes due to where they fall. Photos below. In other photos I see some boats have a different top deck edge; they appear to roll off and cover the top of the hull with a vertical section. My deck has a stepped down flange that sits on the hull flange, and is lower. (If that all makes sense) -Gerry
On May 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
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Gerry, I had a similar issue when I installed a re-enforced plate under my M17's forestay plate to add a bowsprit bracket. I formed the plate to shape it to match the bow and not put the bow under stress. I did this using a short piece of 2x6 with holes drilled to match the plate and then used a piece of 3/4 iron pipe placed between the 2x6 and the plate, aligned to run directly along the center line of the plate. I then used some bolts with washers to crank down the plate to the point where it formed the plate to match the bow shape. My boat is an 82 so the my bow plate config is a bit different that yours, but the concept should be the same, perhaps this will help.. Keith *Keith R. Martin* *Vancouver/Burnaby B.C.* *Serenity M17, #353* *http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105 <http://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/Boats/boatsdetail.php?id=105>* On Fri, 17 May 2019 at 09:32, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's what I was hoping to do but after seeing it in place I am re-thinking it. It doesn't look to be a good fit on my bow. After measuring, I see I'd have to pull the back of the plate down 3/4" on each side, and I still couldn't use the front two mounting holes due to where they fall. Photos below.
In other photos I see some boats have a different top deck edge; they appear to roll off and cover the top of the hull with a vertical section. My deck has a stepped down flange that sits on the hull flange, and is lower. (If that all makes sense) -Gerry
On May 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
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Why not do it a simple way? On Friday, May 17, 2019, 9:32:49 AM PDT, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: That's what I was hoping to do but after seeing it in place I am re-thinking it. It doesn't look to be a good fit on my bow. After measuring, I see I'd have to pull the back of the plate down 3/4" on each side, and I still couldn't use the front two mounting holes due to where they fall. Photos below. In other photos I see some boats have a different top deck edge; they appear to roll off and cover the top of the hull with a vertical section. My deck has a stepped down flange that sits on the hull flange, and is lower. (If that all makes sense) -Gerry
On May 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
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Like this? -Gerry
On May 17, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Stan Susman <stanpfa@pacbell.net> wrote:
Why not do it a simple way? On Friday, May 17, 2019, 9:32:49 AM PDT, Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
That's what I was hoping to do but after seeing it in place I am re-thinking it. It doesn't look to be a good fit on my bow. After measuring, I see I'd have to pull the back of the plate down 3/4" on each side, and I still couldn't use the front two mounting holes due to where they fall. Photos below.
In other photos I see some boats have a different top deck edge; they appear to roll off and cover the top of the hull with a vertical section. My deck has a stepped down flange that sits on the hull flange, and is lower. (If that all makes sense) -Gerry
On May 17, 2019, at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
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Here is a photo of the o.e. stemhead fitting for the 1st generation M17s. From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:08 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; swwheatley@comcast.net Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s> &t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop. On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net <mailto:swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote: That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
Ok then, that sure is a lot more substantial! Thanks for posting that. I guess I'll call Sage Monday since what they offer should be better than mine. -Gerry
On May 4, 2019, at 10:01 AM, <swwheatley@comcast.net> <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is a photo of the o.e. stemhead fitting for the 1st generation M17s.
From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:08 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; swwheatley@comcast.net Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop.
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net> wrote:
That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
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Hi: Wondering. I always drop my centerboard when sailing and also have it down when motoring or motor-sailing. Does having the centerboard down while running the motor, add drag and slow you down. I would rather sail, but sometimes in the San Juans it’s dead calm or you’re fighting current. Thanks for advice on the novice question. Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky) outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors "Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
Peter. 'hot rodder' for speed - * down when on a reach or higher * up going down wind * up motoring The board can rock in the trunk when it is down and boat at mooring. Keep board up so it will not work the rotation pin out of the keel. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Sat, May 4, 2019, 7:15 AM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi: Wondering. I always drop my centerboard when sailing and also have it down when motoring or motor-sailing. Does having the centerboard down while running the motor, add drag and slow you down. I would rather sail, but sometimes in the San Juans it’s dead calm or you’re fighting current. Thanks for advice on the novice question.
Pete Winter Sky (Zimowsky)
outdoors writer and photographer www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com <http://www.getoutdoorsnorthwest.com/> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors
"Be with Tahlequah" Tahlequah, you did this. From the day you lost your baby in the summer of 2018, then your 17-day tour of grief, you've brought the KEY crucial issues to the world to help us save your Orca family.
Beat me to it with the pic...yep, that's the one, same as on my '74 #38. A real nice casting. Here's a pic of mine from slightly different angle. A bit distorted by wide angle close shot but you get the idea. cheers, John On 5/4/19 7:01 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Here is a photo of the o.e. stemhead fitting for the 1st generation M17s.
From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:08 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; swwheatley@comcast.net Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s> &t=338s
Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop.
On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net <mailto:swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote:
That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued
Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
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Hi Gerry L. Did you check the MSOG Photo Site for pictures of that bow plate? Google does not always help. The Photo Site has search features of its own. Lots of good info. Check the “information” section too. Good reference documents there as well. Http://www.msogphotosite.com Gerry W.
On May 4, 2019, at 1:57 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Beat me to it with the pic...yep, that's the one, same as on my '74 #38. A real nice casting. Here's a pic of mine from slightly different angle. A bit distorted by wide angle close shot but you get the idea.
cheers, John
On 5/4/19 7:01 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote: Here is a photo of the o.e. stemhead fitting for the 1st generation M17s. From: Gerry Lempicki <ka1stz@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 8:08 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; swwheatley@comcast.net Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued I'm having trouble finding a photo showing one like you describe. Most that come up in a google search do not show the bow in good enough detail. I did find this video though, at 6:04 it doesn't look too different from mine. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjlsULE-DCU&t=338s> &t=338s Can anyone provide a photo of the original? I asked Jerry a couple weeks ago about a possible replacement; he's going to look when at the shop. On Saturday, May 4, 2019, 7:42:54 AM EDT, <swwheatley@comcast.net <mailto:swwheatley@comcast.net> > wrote: That is not the original bow plate. I don't have a photo right now, but the original is a handsome aluminum casting that wraps around the bow's tip and under the hull-deck joint. It provides much needed strength and protection in an area that is handling a good amount of tension from the forestay and is very exposed to collision damage. Hard to imagine the thought process that led to its removal from your boat. In my opinion, if you stay with what you have, you definitely need to reinforce the deck underneath. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > On Behalf Of Gerry Lempicki via montgomery_boats Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 3:51 AM To: Msog <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: M17 rigging continued Ok, last night I was able to compare the masts side by side and take measurements. I will be able to use a tabernacle with no problem. I'll return the hinged base. Oh while I'm on rigging, can someone confirm if this is an original bow plate from the mid 70's? Someone expressed concern that it wasn't, or was not in the right spot, or might pull the bolts through the deck. There isn't a backing plate, the bolts just go through the deck. I see no signs of modification in this area though.
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