I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks. I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize. I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta ( M-15 Still The One)
Jerry might chime in on this one. There was an M15 that sailed to Hawaii that was customized had some kind of bow sprit accommodate the 2 head sails the boat had if I remember correctly. Bill M15 "Desert Dawn" Phoenix On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:59 PM, LOU <capnlou@ec.rr.com> wrote:
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Little Breeze, the 15 that sailed to HI, did not have a bowsprit. It had twin jibs for self-steering on a run. I put a 2' sprit on the 15 that I crossed the gulf with; it worked great on a reach but was of no benefit upwind or on a run. I made it easily removable so I could remove it when trailerin g. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Kaiser" <whkaiser@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Jerry might chime in on this one. There was an M15 that sailed to Hawaii that was customized had some kind of bow sprit accommodate the 2 head sails the boat had if I remember correctly.
Bill M15 "Desert Dawn" Phoenix
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I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind. Sorry jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Joe, You won't get any strange looks from me. I always deploy the anchor from the stern and frequently remain anchored by the stern. I generally use a quick setting anchor like a CQR or a Bruce style claw. I deploy the anchor from the cockpit, set it, and tie it off to a stern cleat. I will then take the non-tensioned anchor line forward, outside the shrouds to the bow cleat and secure it there. I often tie a spring line to the anchor line from a point a few feet off the stern cleat and take keep it loose in the cockpit. If conditions are such that I want to anchor by the bow I just release the anchor line from the stern and the boat swings around with the wind at the bow. If I want to stop the swinging or position the bow into any waves I pull in on the spring line until I get t he angle that works best. The spring line is used to gradually turn the boat to an angle to the wind and waves which stops the swinging and can minimize a roll due waves. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day" ________________________________ From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, December 2, 2009 10:29:30 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit... I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Joe, I think "sailing back and forth" is a function of the curvaceous airfoil-like hull shape rather than the direction of pull. I moored for a couple of months with a line clipped to the trailer ring, and the boat still "did the dance" in stiff winds. Fastening low on the boat does reduce rolling a bit, however, and I think it is easier on the hull. Tom Jenkins On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Tom, I did notice that the 'sailing' did drop off considerably with the bridle but didn't eliminate it entirely. I think you have something here. Also I think the relative light weight allows her to more affected by winds and currents. Just another one of those trade-offs when I downsized from a NorSea. Are you comfortable with the amount of backing on the tow ring to anchor off of it?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I think "sailing back and forth" is a function of the curvaceous airfoil-like hull shape rather than the direction of pull. I moored for a couple of months with a line clipped to the trailer ring, and the boat still "did the dance" in stiff winds. Fastening low on the boat does reduce rolling a bit, however, and I think it is easier on the hull. Tom Jenkins
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Joe, I had no movement of the ring in winds over 30 knots at the mooring, and I always assumed that the sharp angle at the bow made the strongest part of the boat. I tried to slide my boat a few inches across the bunks with the trailer winch (dumb), and it flexed the upright 2" without sliding the boat, and the ring held solid. Anybody try to hang a 17 from a crane on the trailer ring alone? That is the real experiment (preferably with someone else's boat!). Tom On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Tom, I did notice that the 'sailing' did drop off considerably with the bridle but didn't eliminate it entirely. I think you have something here. Also I think the relative light weight allows her to more affected by winds and currents. Just another one of those trade-offs when I downsized from a NorSea. Are you comfortable with the amount of backing on the tow ring to anchor off of it?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I think "sailing back and forth" is a function of the curvaceous airfoil-like hull shape rather than the direction of pull. I moored for a couple of months with a line clipped to the trailer ring, and the boat still "did the dance" in stiff winds. Fastening low on the boat does reduce rolling a bit, however, and I think it is easier on the hull. Tom Jenkins
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Tom- If you're talking about one of my boats, and by ring you mean the U-bolt bolted thru the stem, it would lift 8 or 10 boats. (Don't stand under them, tho) jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I had no movement of the ring in winds over 30 knots at the mooring, and I always assumed that the sharp angle at the bow made the strongest part of the boat. I tried to slide my boat a few inches across the bunks with the trailer winch (dumb), and it flexed the upright 2" without sliding the boat, and the ring held solid. Anybody try to hang a 17 from a crane on the trailer ring alone? That is the real experiment (preferably with someone else's boat!). Tom
On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Tom, I did notice that the 'sailing' did drop off considerably with the bridle but didn't eliminate it entirely. I think you have something here. Also I think the relative light weight allows her to more affected by winds and currents. Just another one of those trade-offs when I downsized from a NorSea. Are you comfortable with the amount of backing on the tow ring to anchor off of it?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I think "sailing back and forth" is a function of the curvaceous airfoil-like hull shape rather than the direction of pull. I moored for a couple of months with a line clipped to the trailer ring, and the boat still "did the dance" in stiff winds. Fastening low on the boat does reduce rolling a bit, however, and I think it is easier on the hull. Tom Jenkins
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks.
I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, causing it to capsize.
I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is there anyone who might have had some experience with this or has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta
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Jerry, Ye of little faith! With a safety factor of 8-10, you should have total confidence. My boat is not in fact one of yours, but I imagine the specs are about the same. Thanks for all your input. Tom Jenkins 2004 M17 Scintilla On Dec 2, 2009, at 4:43 PM, jerry wrote:
Tom- If you're talking about one of my boats, and by ring you mean the U-bolt bolted thru the stem, it would lift 8 or 10 boats. (Don't stand under them, tho)
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:50 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I had no movement of the ring in winds over 30 knots at the mooring, and I always assumed that the sharp angle at the bow made the strongest part of the boat. I tried to slide my boat a few inches across the bunks with the trailer winch (dumb), and it flexed the upright 2" without sliding the boat, and the ring held solid. Anybody try to hang a 17 from a crane on the trailer ring alone? That is the real experiment (preferably with someone else's boat!). Tom
On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
Tom, I did notice that the 'sailing' did drop off considerably with the bridle but didn't eliminate it entirely. I think you have something here. Also I think the relative light weight allows her to more affected by winds and currents. Just another one of those trade-offs when I downsized from a NorSea. Are you comfortable with the amount of backing on the tow ring to anchor off of it?? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Jenkins" <tjenk@gte.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Joe, I think "sailing back and forth" is a function of the curvaceous airfoil-like hull shape rather than the direction of pull. I moored for a couple of months with a line clipped to the trailer ring, and the boat still "did the dance" in stiff winds. Fastening low on the boat does reduce rolling a bit, however, and I think it is easier on the hull. Tom Jenkins
On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm assuming that there are two reasons for wanting a sprit. One, to hold the anchor in place when sailing and second to keep the anchor line running dead center off the boat when anchored to eliminate "sailing". I agree with Sir Jerry about the anti ballast. I still had a problem when I ran the anchor line one of bow chocks because that little bit of imbalance created that annoying sailing back and forth. To temporarily remedy this annoyance, I took a short piece of line and tied a rolling to the anchor line about 2-3' off the bow and ran it back thru the opposit bow chock; tensioned it up enough to balance the pull; and, cleated if off on the deck cleat. Eventually I would like to mount a SS bow roller. But I'll still keep the anchor in the port cockpit locker. I get a lot of strange looks and comments about the "stern deployment - walk the line to the bow" method of anchoring but with no anchor line locker up front and no intensions of making one, I'll just have to take the weird stares. Joe
----- Original Message ----- From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:19 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
Another thing to think about is that the sprit, and having the anchor that hi, is anti-ballast and will make the boat more tender. Salty looking, but not practical in my mind.
Sorry
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOU" <capnlou@ec.rr.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:59 PM Subject: M_Boats: Bow Sprit...
> I'm working on making a bow sprit to hold my anchor on my > M-15. It is made of 2" thick teak and is 11" wide and will > stick out 13" from the bow, it is tapered at the front. I > have not attached it to the boat yet as I am still > positioning the anchor and finishing some other fitting tasks. > > I went out for a sail yesterday and there was a good 15 knot > wind and 2 to 3 ft waves that were almost breaking the bow > which got me thinking. If a wave catches this bow sprit it > could act like a plow and drive my bow into the water, > causing it to capsize. > > I am thinking of making it a couple of inches shorter and > perhaps drilling holes in it to help avoid a situation. Is > there anyone who might have had some experience with this or > has some idea of what could be done. Not installing the bow > sprit is not an option that I want to hear after getting > this far... Thanks... Lou Aliotta > > ( M-15 Still The One) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ > montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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