Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes: Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:> >> > > Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> > >> > > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> > >> > > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >>> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> >> > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> >> > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. - tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY - not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO -----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes: Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:> >> > > Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> > >> > > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> > >> > > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >>> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> >> > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> >> > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> > >>> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
Much contriversy if you do a goggle search. I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. - tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY - not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO
-----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes:
Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>
Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.>
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck< gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
We do all our Sails loose footed main for the 15, 16 and 17. Including our NorSea 27. Much better sail shape. Bob Sent from my iPad
On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:36 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Much contriversy if you do a goggle search.
I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. - tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY - not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO
-----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes:
Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>
Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > >>>> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck< gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
Hi All, Catching up on this loose-footed sail discussion: if you have a sail with a boltrope on the foot, is there any reason why you couldn't rig it loose footed? Is there some important component of the sail that will be missing if it was manufactured with a bolt rope? On an M15, should the clew be attached more securely to the boom (e.g. strap or something), or will the outhaul be enough when rigging loose footed? Finally, someone mentioned bending on the sails each time the boat is set up. I've left my main on the boom since I bought the boat (the sail is ancient maybe the original, so I'm not much concerned with damaging it, and it makes for faster set up times). Is this considered "bad form" for sail longevity? Is there any reason to remove the sail after each time out, especially for a new sail? Thanks, Sam M15 #272 On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
We do all our Sails loose footed main for the 15, 16 and 17. Including our NorSea 27.
Much better sail shape.
Bob
Sent from my iPad
not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO
-----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes:
Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith>
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>
> Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> >
closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > >
some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > >
From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> >
>>>>> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>>
Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.>
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get>
ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you>
can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck< gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???>
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> >
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com ; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of>
the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>>
Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY
On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:36 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Much contriversy if you do a goggle search.
I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail.
This has come up before, a year or two ago...someone (don't recall who) said fairly authoritatively that you can't just use a boltrope/slugs on boom sail loose footed, the shaping is different when the sail is made. It might "work" but not very well. Re outhaul/clew, here's a relevant vide - this is about when reefing, but same applies without a reef in, to the normal outhaul. I have slugs on my boom (older M17, middle-aged sail) and use this method for outhaul/clew. It is a big improvement over just having the outhaul/clew line from clew grommet thru block and then to cleat. On my rig that led to the clew being too high, to the point of putting strain on the aft-most slug. The angle was not good. It's much better (sort of self-adjusting, as the video indicates) with this approach. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbXlEsrlo1s If this applies when reefing will depend partly on your reefing setup - where the lines run. This is for when lines run all the way to aft end of boom. My M17 has cheek blocks on boom for clew reefing lines so the line is not going back to end of boom as in this example. cheers, John On 01/21/2019 04:52 PM, Sam wrote:
Hi All,
Catching up on this loose-footed sail discussion: if you have a sail with a boltrope on the foot, is there any reason why you couldn't rig it loose footed? Is there some important component of the sail that will be missing if it was manufactured with a bolt rope? On an M15, should the clew be attached more securely to the boom (e.g. strap or something), or will the outhaul be enough when rigging loose footed?
Finally, someone mentioned bending on the sails each time the boat is set up. I've left my main on the boom since I bought the boat (the sail is ancient maybe the original, so I'm not much concerned with damaging it, and it makes for faster set up times). Is this considered "bad form" for sail longevity? Is there any reason to remove the sail after each time out, especially for a new sail?
Thanks,
Sam M15 #272
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:31 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
We do all our Sails loose footed main for the 15, 16 and 17. Including our NorSea 27.
Much better sail shape.
Bob
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not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO
-----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes:
Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote: I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith>
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>
>> Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >>> If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >>> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >
> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> >
closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > >
some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > >
From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> >
>>>>>> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>>
Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.>
> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get>
ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you>
can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck< gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???>
> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> >
montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com ; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of>
the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>>
Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY
On Jan 12, 2019, at 2:36 PM, George Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Much contriversy if you do a goggle search.
I went to loose footed on my Pearson 23 and again on my M15. have been satisfied for all of the reasons stated above. George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail.
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Yes, go loose foot! Just bought new main from Harry at E/P Sailmakers for SWALLOW. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Sat, Jan 12, 2019, 1:44 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com wrote:
Mark, Try it - you'll never go back to a boltrope at the foot. Advantage - better sail shape on lower section of sail. - tying in reef lines at cringles is easier/better accomplished and less potential for damaging sail (make sure the line is around the sail ONLY - not the boom) with loose foot - Less time spent bending on the sail. - Faster dousing the mainsail - release clew and drop halyard - no need to remove foot from track or sailslot.Disadvantage- Can't think of one. GO
-----Original Message----- From: sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2019 1:16 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sail opinions
Hi Mark, We've converted all of the boats to loose footed. Even our old Moore 24 performs better with a loose footed main. sal Sage Marine In a message dated 1/12/2019 12:59:21 PM Mountain Standard Time, mdvorscak56@gmail.com writes:
Loose footed main or bolt rope? Need to decide before I order sails. I'venever had a loose footed main but I know lots of people like them. Anybodywish to contribute to my education by listing the advantages anddisadvantages of each?Mark DvorscakM23 Faith On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to> make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think> I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...>> On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:>> > Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and> > 5/16> > on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Mark Dvorscak> > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards> >> > Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine> feel> > like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> > some new ones.> > Mark Dvorscak> > M23 Faith> >> > On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>
Gary,> > >> > > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> > >> > > From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a> small> > > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at> a> > > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> > >> > > Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> > > longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.>
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop> two> > > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you> hang> > > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > > safely moored.> > >> > > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig> your> > > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water> for> > > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so> in> > > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > > can board, or go ashore again.> > >> > > Happy sailing,> > >> > > Connie> > >> > > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > > When us the LPM?> > > >> > > >> > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > > >> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >> > > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > > closest tree???> > > >> > > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>> > > >> Which tree??> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > > Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat> > > >> some> > > fish.> > > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> > out> > > of> > > >> the trees.> > > >>> > > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > > >>> > > >> -----Original Message-----> > > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> > > >> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > > >>> > > >> Hi Gary,> > > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > > >> instead?> > > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > > >>> > > >> Phil> > > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > > >>>> > > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> > >> >> >> >> On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, < jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:>> Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16> on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.>> -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Dvorscak> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards>> Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel> like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering> some new ones.> Mark Dvorscak> M23 Faith>> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:>> > Gary,> >> > The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to> > take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.> From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small> > Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a> > Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress> > being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.> Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long,> longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.> >> > If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the> > problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal> > fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two> > fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang> > the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's> > replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.> >> > Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the> > boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is> > safely moored.> >> > OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your> > anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get> > ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for> > safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in> > the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you> > can board, or go ashore again.> >> > Happy sailing,> >> > Connie> >> > On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:> > > When us the LPM?> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!> > >> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com>> > > To: Gary Oberbeck< gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > > Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm> > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >> > > Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that> > closest tree???> > >> On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats<> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>> > >> Which tree??> >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: jerry< jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>> > >> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery> > Sailboats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> > >> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > >> And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some> > fish.> > >> Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish> out> > of> > >> the trees.> > >>> > >> Be good to see you there, Phil.> > >>> > >> -----Original Message-----> > >> From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM> > >> To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > >> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing> > >> WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)> > >>> > Hi Gary,> > >>> > >> Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun> > >> instead?> > >> Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!> > >>> > >> Phil> > >>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats> > >>> < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout> >>>>
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