We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions: Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer. I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
It can be moved forward but should not protrude beyond the trailer hitch. Also, the transport vehicle must be inspected so that any sharp turns made by the vehicle will not contact any part of your Monty or else severe damage may occur. Good luck. Where in South Texas are you going? I live in Brenham, just west of Houston and have a Monty 17 also. Tom at 7137021743. Let me know how your move works out. Good luck and fair winds. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 10:51 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
I am the seller. It is going to a new owner in New Braunfels Texas. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:01 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
It can be moved forward but should not protrude beyond the trailer hitch. Also, the transport vehicle must be inspected so that any sharp turns made by the vehicle will not contact any part of your Monty or else severe damage may occur. Good luck. Where in South Texas are you going? I live in Brenham, just west of Houston and have a Monty 17 also. Tom at 7137021743. Let me know how your move works out. Good luck and fair winds.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 10:51 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Gail. Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom. If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length. I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant. I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition. Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability. The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end. We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone. I ha On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Definitely shrink wrap it. Then hire someone on UShip dot com to tow the Bote on the trailer to Texas. They bring the tow vehicle. Bob [cid:3D344432-BBF8-4A6D-838E-4CA81C0FD7BB] Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote: Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom. If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length. I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant. I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition. Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability. The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end. We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone. I ha On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Gail. Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.) :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote: We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions: Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer. I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
What about the pros and cons of removing the motor and/or rudder and tiller in terms of stress on the transom, given that an over the road haul does not beg for shortening the length of the boat? On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:30 AM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Definitely shrink wrap it. Then hire someone on UShip dot com to tow the Bote on the trailer to Texas. They bring the tow vehicle. Bob
[cid:3D344432-BBF8-4A6D-838E-4CA81C0FD7BB]
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Be careful with uShip...i was almost scammed. Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Definitely shrink wrap it. Then hire someone on UShip dot com to tow the Bote on the trailer to Texas. They bring the tow vehicle. Bob
[cid:3D344432-BBF8-4A6D-838E-4CA81C0FD7BB]
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Gail: as Thomas wrote the motor shouldn't be on the transom & that the motor needs to be secured and wrapped for leak containment in cabin. the rudder is a question as if it is a RudderCraft type with the integrated mast support things will have to be different. (as I wrote before what rudder does the boat have?) i disagree with Thomas on the orientation of the motor - each motor is different. read the manual and follow it EXACTLY. for example - the Hondas are THROTTLE LEVER UP! throttle lever down will result in motor damage as the oil will run into the cylinder head and other places. PLEASE see attached image showing manual page from Honda 5 manual! what brand & model motor does the boat have? :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Looks like the motor is Yamaha Longshot model 2006 4 hp F4MLH. Rudder is Ruddercraft Uniform Fixed Kickapoo. Looks like I have to take off the pivot bolt for the rudder plus take off two locking bolts that hold the hydraulic dampener (guess that is what it is) to get the rudder off. Looks like the tiller has to be unbolted from the wood in order to get it out. Three On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 12:12 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
as Thomas wrote the motor shouldn't be on the transom & that the motor needs to be secured and wrapped for leak containment in cabin.
the rudder is a question as if it is a RudderCraft type with the integrated mast support things will have to be different. (as I wrote before what rudder does the boat have?)
i disagree with Thomas on the orientation of the motor - each motor is different. read the manual and follow it EXACTLY. for example - the Hondas are THROTTLE LEVER UP! throttle lever down will result in motor damage as the oil will run into the cylinder head and other places. PLEASE see attached image showing manual page from Honda 5 manual!
what brand & model motor does the boat have?
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Hi Gail, If I am understanding what you are describing, I don’t think you need to take off the pivot bolt or the lock nuts on the hydraulic damper. Can you not just lift the whole thing off the back of the boat in one piece? It should just separate at the hinges on the back of the boat. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:57 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Looks like the motor is Yamaha Longshot model 2006 4 hp F4MLH. Rudder is Ruddercraft Uniform Fixed Kickapoo.
Looks like I have to take off the pivot bolt for the rudder plus take off two locking bolts that hold the hydraulic dampener (guess that is what it is) to get the rudder off.
Looks like the tiller has to be unbolted from the wood in order to get it out. Three
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 12:12 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
as Thomas wrote the motor shouldn't be on the transom & that the motor needs to be secured and wrapped for leak containment in cabin.
the rudder is a question as if it is a RudderCraft type with the integrated mast support things will have to be different. (as I wrote before what rudder does the boat have?)
i disagree with Thomas on the orientation of the motor - each motor is different. read the manual and follow it EXACTLY. for example - the Hondas are THROTTLE LEVER UP! throttle lever down will result in motor damage as the oil will run into the cylinder head and other places. PLEASE see attached image showing manual page from Honda 5 manual!
what brand & model motor does the boat have?
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
It looks at first blush like you could do that, but, after looking at it again, for the 6th time, it appears that the mast crutch is part of the assembly. If you removed the whole rudder assembly, the mast crutch would be hanging in thin air...with the mast on it. My husband claims it is easy, but I beg to differ. Going to drag him out there to look at it. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 1:34 PM Jason Leckie <leckie.jas@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Gail,
If I am understanding what you are describing, I don’t think you need to take off the pivot bolt or the lock nuts on the hydraulic damper.
Can you not just lift the whole thing off the back of the boat in one piece? It should just separate at the hinges on the back of the boat.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:57 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Looks like the motor is Yamaha Longshot model 2006 4 hp F4MLH. Rudder is Ruddercraft Uniform Fixed Kickapoo.
Looks like I have to take off the pivot bolt for the rudder plus take off two locking bolts that hold the hydraulic dampener (guess that is what it is) to get the rudder off.
Looks like the tiller has to be unbolted from the wood in order to get it out. Three
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 12:12 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
as Thomas wrote the motor shouldn't be on the transom & that the motor needs to be secured and wrapped for leak containment in cabin.
the rudder is a question as if it is a RudderCraft type with the integrated mast support things will have to be different. (as I wrote before what rudder does the boat have?)
i disagree with Thomas on the orientation of the motor - each motor is different. read the manual and follow it EXACTLY. for example - the Hondas are THROTTLE LEVER UP! throttle lever down will result in motor damage as the oil will run into the cylinder head and other places. PLEASE see attached image showing manual page from Honda 5 manual!
what brand & model motor does the boat have?
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
> We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 > from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions: > > Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear > of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of > transporting the rig on a truck and trailer. > > I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are > any implications for the mast? >
I was just about to reply regarding motor orientation but Dave beat me to it. They are variable - my Honda 2 is one way, my Lehr 5 is the opposite!AndreSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> Date: 2/2/21 3:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat Gail:as Thomas wrote the motor shouldn't be on the transom & that the motorneeds to be secured and wrapped for leak containment in cabin.the rudder is a question as if it is a RudderCraft type with the integratedmast support things will have to be different. (as I wrote before whatrudder does the boat have?)i disagree with Thomas on the orientation of the motor - each motor isdifferent. read the manual and follow it EXACTLY. for example - theHondas are THROTTLE LEVER UP! throttle lever down will result in motordamage as the oil will run into the cylinder head and other places. PLEASEsee attached image showing manual page from Honda 5 manual!what brand & model motor does the boat have?:: Dave Scobie:: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com:: Montgomery 6'8" #650:: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/:: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/:: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/<http://www.m17-375.webs.com/>:: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scredOn Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:> Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the> gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and> lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side> when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one> side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin> with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken> chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside> the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the> rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That> will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or> pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off> something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the> cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are> a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured?> Good luck.>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:>> > Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is> > transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length> of> > the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that> > putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving> > blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the> > transom.> >> > If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall> > length.> >> > I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it> over> > the road. In that case, length might be less significant.> >> > I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I> > am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real> interest> > in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.> >> > Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.> >> > The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not> > missing important info on my end.> >> > We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our> truck> > and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like> > take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our> > days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.> >> > I ha> >> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:> >> > > Gail.> > >> > > Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and> > > trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)> > >> > >> > > :: Dave Scobie> > > :: M6'8" #650> > > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com> > > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com> > > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new> > > site!> > >> > >> > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:> > >> > > > We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery> > 17> > > > from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:> > > >> > > > Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the> > rear> > > > of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar> cost> > > of> > > > transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.> > > >> > > > I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there> > are> > > > any implications for the mast?> > > >> > >> >>
Still shopping for a hauler. Both over the road and on a flatbed. You answered my question about taking off the motor and rudder. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Gail: what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting. :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Still shopping for a hauler. Both over the road and on a flatbed.
You answered my question about taking off the motor and rudder.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved?? On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Still shopping for a hauler. Both over the road and on a flatbed.
You answered my question about taking off the motor and rudder.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Definitely take the motor off the transom. Thoroughly drain all the gasoline out of it, wrap it in several moving blankets or old quilts, and lay it on the cabin sole inside locked up. Rest it on the throttle side when you lay it down with the propeller sliding under the cockpit on one side or the other of the cb trunk housing. Cover the windows of the cabin with tinfoil so no one can see inside. Outboard motor thieves have taken chain saws to boats to remove motors. The rudder should be stowed inside the cockpit, again properly wrapped so road vibrations will not rub the rudder against any fiberglass nor the finish on the rudder be removed. That will shorten your load and avoid damage to the rudder or the gudgeons or pintles on which the rudder rotates should the boat be shoved onto or off something. Of course, secure anything that can vibrate loose inside the cabin. A cradle for the boat hull or chocks for the boat trailer wheels are a must as well as chain binders. Is your hauler insured? Good luck.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:24 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Thomas: Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.) :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position. [cid:0FFFC0ED-26F2-4D6D-B232-4096610FA259] Sent from my iPad On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote: I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Thomas: Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.) :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved?? On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Gail: what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting. :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that. Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on. I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
[cid:0FFFC0ED-26F2-4D6D-B232-4096610FA259]
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
Gail: That photo Bob shared shows the original crutch on Hydeaway II. NOTHING on the transom was changed to use the RudderCraft rudder & mast crutch. Do you still have the crutch showing in the picture? The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered. :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
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On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
That photo Bob shared shows the original crutch on Hydeaway II. NOTHING on the transom was changed to use the RudderCraft rudder & mast crutch. Do you still have the crutch showing in the picture?
I do not believe I still have the mast crutch showing in Bob's delivery picture. The current one is definitely mounted to the rudder assembly, and the rudder assembly is mounted on three triangular brackets. From what I can tell, the brackets showing on Bob's picture are rectangular, but I am not certain. I can certainly see, though, that one would not want to be changing out those brackets on the hull without a good reason. The mounting points for the current mast crutch are different than Bob's picture. My husband swore the rudder just lifted off until I took him out to have him show me how it is done. He changed his mind. :) It looks like I could take the tiller assembly off, but it would be a bit of a mess because the same pin goes through the mast assembly. Think I will pass on that. Gail
The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
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On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
Gail. The brackets on the transom, called gudgeons, haven't changed. The rudder assembly lifts off by removing the hairpin cotter pins from the lower part of the pintels. With the pins out the rudder assembly lifts off. The mast crutch assembly is held to the rudder by a pin that is also held in place by a hairpin cotter. Remove the hairpin, remove the pin and the mast crutch lifts up and out of the rudder's vertical square tube. This is also how you change the mast crutch height from trailering setting to mast raising/lowering setting. As I wrote before the rudder assembly must stay in place for trailering as it is what holds the mast crutch. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 3:30 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not believe I still have the mast crutch showing in Bob's delivery picture. The current one is definitely mounted to the rudder assembly, and the rudder assembly is mounted on three triangular brackets. From what I can tell, the brackets showing on Bob's picture are rectangular, but I am not certain. I can certainly see, though, that one would not want to be changing out those brackets on the hull without a good reason. The mounting points for the current mast crutch are different than Bob's picture.
My husband swore the rudder just lifted off until I took him out to have him show me how it is done. He changed his mind. :)
It looks like I could take the tiller assembly off, but it would be a bit of a mess because the same pin goes through the mast assembly. Think I will pass on that.
Gail
That photo Bob shared shows the original crutch on Hydeaway II. NOTHING
on the transom was changed to use the RudderCraft rudder & mast crutch. Do
you still have the crutch showing in the picture?
The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
I am looking for some advice for a permanent mounted stern ladder for my 1976 M-17. I want to order one that I know will fit. Does anybody have any suggestions? Gary Froeschner gfroeschner@gmail.com
I also wonder about her as she is 13 years younger than me as I also wonder how I’ve made it to 80. It’s disheartening when I see people stopping to do things they enjoy because of age as I’ve seen posted here. I’m in the process of building my M-17 for single handing to include raising the mast myself on or off trailer. Installing an autopilot and think I will also do self tailing winches. Already have all lines running to cockpit. I enjoy doing things myself. Have a number of adventures planned with it. How planning to start sailing first of May on Lake Ontario. Also stilling flying and looking for another plane. Two years ago on take off I lost a wheel on an old piper. One wheel landing didn’t work out so well and flipped it. If you know any pilots they will tell you any landing you walk away from is a good landing, I walked away. Liked your post as you appear to be like people I’ve enjoyed all my life. Don’t be to serious and enjoy life while getting the most out of it. Charlie Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Gary Froeschner <msogggf@gmail.com> wrote:
I am looking for some advice for a permanent mounted stern ladder for my 1976 M-17. I want to order one that I know will fit. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Gary Froeschner gfroeschner@gmail.com
Good story Charlie On the flipped Piper....did you have sudden stoppage on the Prop..? Glad you walked away. Bob Eeg Sent from my iPad
On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I also wonder about her as she is 13 years younger than me as I also wonder how I’ve made it to 80. It’s disheartening when I see people stopping to do things they enjoy because of age as I’ve seen posted here. I’m in the process of building my M-17 for single handing to include raising the mast myself on or off trailer. Installing an autopilot and think I will also do self tailing winches. Already have all lines running to cockpit. I enjoy doing things myself. Have a number of adventures planned with it. How planning to start sailing first of May on Lake Ontario.
Also stilling flying and looking for another plane. Two years ago on take off I lost a wheel on an old piper. One wheel landing didn’t work out so well and flipped it. If you know any pilots they will tell you any landing you walk away from is a good landing, I walked away.
Liked your post as you appear to be like people I’ve enjoyed all my life. Don’t be to serious and enjoy life while getting the most out of it.
Charlie
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On Feb 3, 2021, at 2:24 PM, Gary Froeschner <msogggf@gmail.com> wrote:
I am looking for some advice for a permanent mounted stern ladder for my 1976 M-17. I want to order one that I know will fit. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Gary Froeschner gfroeschner@gmail.com
Hi Dave, Been watching the thread. I do that. I would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with others on Jerry's designs. For those that don't know, Dave was the driving force with Jerry Montgomery on the Sage Marine Sailboat project. We put put close to 40 really nice boats with Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie. sal. The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered. :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
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Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
As I’ve read this it causes me to reflect on the transport of a Tanzer 22 and Drascombe Lugger I made 40 years ago after reassignment by the Army. Trip was from Tacoma, WA to Baltimore, MD. My wife who had never towed anything with little driving in US and had the Lugger behind a Toyota Celica with twins 2 and son 7 to helps her manage them. I had the Tanzer behind a 10 year old Van with a dog. To add to the excitement it was Feb across I 90 and I 80. My plan was to hitch them to the vehicles and take off no different than going to a boat launch. I am today in wonder how my wife was able to stay with me as we passed thought DC of a night with me navigating to an out of the way Army post. I’ve trailered boats all over the place and had only one problem trailering last year a bought M-17 from DC to Northern NY. Had a blowout on I 81 and then the spare had a blowout. Should have replaced tires even though they looked good. I’m sure this reads like I’m insane or just not to smart and maybe so. I’ve had the good fortune to have served a year exchange from US Army SF to the British 22 SAS and lived with people who were know for pushing the limit. One event was crossing the Amazon for a month carrying all food needed with a white piece of paper for a map showing a couple rivers and mountains. Needless to say we had no contact with anyone after departing. Four of use with the planning being to pack a rucksack and take off. I have always loved their motto, “Who Dares Wins”. Sorry, and not to offend but I just do not get all that is being passed on this transport of a small boat. However it is interesting since I never thought of any of it. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Feb 3, 2021, at 1:38 AM, sal glesser via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Tr Hi Dave, Been watching the thread. I do that. I would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with others on Jerry's designs. For those that don't know, Dave was the driving force with Jerry Montgomery on the Sage Marine Sailboat project. We put put close to 40 really nice boats with Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie. sal. The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
[cid:0FFFC0ED-26F2-4D6D-B232-4096610FA259]
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
Charlie, Thanks for the laughs!!! lol You sound a lot like me, except it's not intentional in my case. Your motto is "Who Dares Wins”. My motto is "You don't know, what you don't know". By the way, when I read your thoughts about how your wife was able to stay with you while traveling through DC; my first thought was.........why did she stay (married) with you after that trip!! lol She must be a special woman. Congratulations!! Please don't be offended by my musings...........reading your email was like looking in a mirror. Regards,Skip -----Original Message----- From: Charles Adams via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: salglesser@aol.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2021 8:39 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat - RudderCraft rudders - Posting photos to Facebook. As I’ve read this it causes me to reflect on the transport of a Tanzer 22 and Drascombe Lugger I made 40 years ago after reassignment by the Army. Trip was from Tacoma, WA to Baltimore, MD. My wife who had never towed anything with little driving in US and had the Lugger behind a Toyota Celica with twins 2 and son 7 to helps her manage them. I had the Tanzer behind a 10 year old Van with a dog. To add to the excitement it was Feb across I 90 and I 80. My plan was to hitch them to the vehicles and take off no different than going to a boat launch. I am today in wonder how my wife was able to stay with me as we passed thought DC of a night with me navigating to an out of the way Army post. I’ve trailered boats all over the place and had only one problem trailering last year a bought M-17 from DC to Northern NY. Had a blowout on I 81 and then the spare had a blowout. Should have replaced tires even though they looked good. I’m sure this reads like I’m insane or just not to smart and maybe so. I’ve had the good fortune to have served a year exchange from US Army SF to the British 22 SAS and lived with people who were know for pushing the limit. One event was crossing the Amazon for a month carrying all food needed with a white piece of paper for a map showing a couple rivers and mountains. Needless to say we had no contact with anyone after departing. Four of use with the planning being to pack a rucksack and take off. I have always loved their motto, “Who Dares Wins”. Sorry, and not to offend but I just do not get all that is being passed on this transport of a small boat. However it is interesting since I never thought of any of it. Charlie Sent from my iPad
On Feb 3, 2021, at 1:38 AM, sal glesser via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Tr Hi Dave, Been watching the thread. I do that. I would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with others on Jerry's designs. For those that don't know, Dave was the driving force with Jerry Montgomery on the Sage Marine Sailboat project. We put put close to 40 really nice boats with Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie. sal. The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
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On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
We had a two blowouts in this very boat while bringing it home when we purchased it. In the middle of nowhere. My ex-husband and his wife rescued us on the second blowout or we would have had to camp out in the boat for a holiday weekend. Part of the reason I am being so careful to take every precaution in preparing this boat for the trip for the buyer. I have done similar trips. Moved household from Colorado Springs to Vancouver Canada with a 1969 VW Beetle towing a heavy trailer built out of the back wheels and bed of a heavy 1950's truck. The car was packed full, with our black and tan coonhound tucked into the well of the back window and a mop sticking straight up out of the load. Way overloaded. And trailer had a blowout in the desert near something like Blythe, where we were able to get a used tire we could afford brought out to us. On Wed, Feb 3, 2021, 8:44 AM Skip Campion via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Charlie, Thanks for the laughs!!! lol You sound a lot like me, except it's not intentional in my case. Your motto is "Who Dares Wins”. My motto is "You don't know, what you don't know". By the way, when I read your thoughts about how your wife was able to stay with you while traveling through DC; my first thought was.........why did she stay (married) with you after that trip!! lol She must be a special woman. Congratulations!! Please don't be offended by my musings...........reading your email was like looking in a mirror. Regards,Skip
-----Original Message----- From: Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: salglesser@aol.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2021 8:39 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat - RudderCraft rudders - Posting photos to Facebook.
As I’ve read this it causes me to reflect on the transport of a Tanzer 22 and Drascombe Lugger I made 40 years ago after reassignment by the Army. Trip was from Tacoma, WA to Baltimore, MD. My wife who had never towed anything with little driving in US and had the Lugger behind a Toyota Celica with twins 2 and son 7 to helps her manage them. I had the Tanzer behind a 10 year old Van with a dog. To add to the excitement it was Feb across I 90 and I 80.
My plan was to hitch them to the vehicles and take off no different than going to a boat launch. I am today in wonder how my wife was able to stay with me as we passed thought DC of a night with me navigating to an out of the way Army post.
I’ve trailered boats all over the place and had only one problem trailering last year a bought M-17 from DC to Northern NY. Had a blowout on I 81 and then the spare had a blowout. Should have replaced tires even though they looked good.
I’m sure this reads like I’m insane or just not to smart and maybe so. I’ve had the good fortune to have served a year exchange from US Army SF to the British 22 SAS and lived with people who were know for pushing the limit. One event was crossing the Amazon for a month carrying all food needed with a white piece of paper for a map showing a couple rivers and mountains. Needless to say we had no contact with anyone after departing. Four of use with the planning being to pack a rucksack and take off. I have always loved their motto, “Who Dares Wins”.
Sorry, and not to offend but I just do not get all that is being passed on this transport of a small boat. However it is interesting since I never thought of any of it.
Charlie
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On Feb 3, 2021, at 1:38 AM, sal glesser via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Tr Hi Dave, Been watching the thread. I do that. I would like to thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and experience with others on Jerry's designs. For those that don't know, Dave was the driving force with Jerry Montgomery on the Sage Marine Sailboat project. We put put close to 40 really nice boats with Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie. sal. The RudderCraft system is, as Bob worte, meant to stay in place at all times. It is designed to do that. The upper portion of the RudderCraft system, the mast crutch, is removed after the mast is raised (and put back in place for when the mast is lowered.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:31 PM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I do not think I am seeing the same mounting method (nor mounting brackets) for the mast crutch. If you take away the rudder assembly, it appears that the mast would be supported in only one place, if that.
Did you deliver it with the kickup rudder ready to install? It looks a little to me from what I find in the paperwork and can see, like Gary put a different rudder on.
I will stop driving us all crazy and drag my husband out there. For all I know, he personally put the rudder on after we hauled it from Gary's. I am usually pretty good at parsing out mechanical things, but sometimes I cannot see the forest for the trees.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Gail. The rudder simply lifts off vertically. No unbolting required. The tiller pivots on one bolt (3/8) simply unbolt by removing the lock nut and pull the bolt out. I built a 2 position mast carrier for this boat. Low position for trailering and high position when you need an angle to raise the mast. You can see it in this photo........in the up position.
[cid:0FFFC0ED-26F2-4D6D-B232-4096610FA259]
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 2, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I have taken a photo and attached to an email, but it awaits approval. The rudder and tiller are integral with the mast, but they do not appear to me to be inseparable. I can post the pictures to Facebook and get more as needed. It appears to me that three bolts will remove the blade of the rudder, but it has to be unwound from the rope of the kickup assembly, which is not obvious. It initially appeared to me that I could lift out the tiller along with its vertical mounting, but it may involve the mast system. I could unbolt the tiller from its mounting.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:52 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Thomas:
Some RudderCraft rudder setups have a mast crutch system. If this is on Gail's new-to-her boat the rudder must stay on the transom in order to support the mast crutch to support the mast. (This also assumes that there is no stand-alone mast crutch to put on the tansom ... again this depends on what the prior owner(s) have done with the boat.)
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:37 PM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a Ruddercraft Rudder and it is simply hung off the transom on only gudgeons and pintles. What is a mast structure that is involved??
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:29 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
what is the rudder arrangement? if the rudder is a RudderCraft with an integrated mast support it CANNOT be removed when towing/transporting.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
Gail: my thoughts on your boat transport - * don't shrink-wrap the boat! #1 this is an environmental nightmare as the plastic will head to the landfill. it WILL NOT be recycled! #2 i've towed mboats across the country over 150,000 miles. in that time only one boat received damage and that was because: interstate closed because of police shooting a suspect; the detour was along gravel road; semi-trucks were not following the posted 25mph speed limit (passing at 55mph or more); a semi passed me going the other way and their gravel cloud caused a chip in the gel coat (which took me about 30 minutes of work time to repair). again this is the ONLY damage that has ever occurred. #3 it the shrink wrap partially comes lose and begins to flap it will damage the gel coat. don't use shrink wrap. * whomever tows/hauls the boat MUST be carefully instructed not to over-tighten a strap across the bow and/or cockpit combings hold boat to trailer or boat&trailer to flatbed. an over-tight strap will damage the hull - yes DAMAGE the hull. an M17 transported from CO to WA, _NOT_ by me but for an acquaintance that bought an M17 as you have and had it shipped, and the shipper cranked the straps holding the boat&trailer to the flatbed damaging the hull - it broke away the bulkheads under the cockpit AND cracked the hull - yes CRACKED the hull so it leaked!. required much $$$ to have repaired. * the hauler must also make sure to put a twist in the strap(s) on both the port & starboard sides. this is so the strap will not vibrate. if the strap vibrates it will damage the gel coat. * you mentioned the rudder. i'm assuming the rudder is a kickup style by RudderCraft with an inegrated mast crutch. correct? once i know this i'll provide suggestion on how to set the mast for transport. :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:24 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Yes, integrated mast support. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 11:54 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail:
my thoughts on your boat transport -
* don't shrink-wrap the boat! #1 this is an environmental nightmare as the plastic will head to the landfill. it WILL NOT be recycled! #2 i've towed mboats across the country over 150,000 miles. in that time only one boat received damage and that was because: interstate closed because of police shooting a suspect; the detour was along gravel road; semi-trucks were not following the posted 25mph speed limit (passing at 55mph or more); a semi passed me going the other way and their gravel cloud caused a chip in the gel coat (which took me about 30 minutes of work time to repair). again this is the ONLY damage that has ever occurred. #3 it the shrink wrap partially comes lose and begins to flap it will damage the gel coat. don't use shrink wrap.
* whomever tows/hauls the boat MUST be carefully instructed not to over-tighten a strap across the bow and/or cockpit combings hold boat to trailer or boat&trailer to flatbed. an over-tight strap will damage the hull - yes DAMAGE the hull. an M17 transported from CO to WA, _NOT_ by me but for an acquaintance that bought an M17 as you have and had it shipped, and the shipper cranked the straps holding the boat&trailer to the flatbed damaging the hull - it broke away the bulkheads under the cockpit AND cracked the hull - yes CRACKED the hull so it leaked!. required much $$$ to have repaired.
* the hauler must also make sure to put a twist in the strap(s) on both the port & starboard sides. this is so the strap will not vibrate. if the strap vibrates it will damage the gel coat.
* you mentioned the rudder. i'm assuming the rudder is a kickup style by RudderCraft with an inegrated mast crutch. correct? once i know this i'll provide suggestion on how to set the mast for transport.
:: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 11:24 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
Towing the boat on its own trailer is likely going to be cheaper...? Box truck independents can haul a load in the truck plus tow your boat, splitting the cost, versus having to dedicate a flatbed to your boat only. UShip.com as well as other RV/trailer haulers are options to check out. Get them in a bidding war, if you can... :-) However you want to be sure the tires & bearings are up to the long haul - if you've no idea what shape they're in then have them checked, tires and bearings both. Also make sure the trailer light wiring is sound & all working...the hauler will probably not take responsibility for any problems with tires, bearings, or lights. Don't leave motor on transom in any case. Either transport method will bounce it around for the entire trip. cheers, John On 2/2/21 11:23 AM, Gail Russell wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
We just had the bearings repacked at Les Schwab, and we bought new tires for it a few years ago and have not driven much, and kept them covered. We know, about tires. We had two blowouts on our way home when we bought the boat. In a no shoulder section of Highway 97. The boat is going to its new owner. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:20 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Towing the boat on its own trailer is likely going to be cheaper...? Box truck independents can haul a load in the truck plus tow your boat, splitting the cost, versus having to dedicate a flatbed to your boat only.
UShip.com as well as other RV/trailer haulers are options to check out. Get them in a bidding war, if you can... :-)
However you want to be sure the tires & bearings are up to the long haul - if you've no idea what shape they're in then have them checked, tires and bearings both. Also make sure the trailer light wiring is sound & all working...the hauler will probably not take responsibility for any problems with tires, bearings, or lights.
Don't leave motor on transom in any case. Either transport method will bounce it around for the entire trip.
cheers, John
On 2/2/21 11:23 AM, Gail Russell wrote:
Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the transom.
If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall length.
I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over the road. In that case, length might be less significant.
I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition.
Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability.
The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not missing important info on my end.
We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our days of marathon driving sessions are long gone.
I ha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
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It looks like it is going to be towed. On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Gail.
Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.)
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On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions:
Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer.
I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?
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