Possible? Yes. Comfortable? No. Tried it once. That was enough. A M17 is comfortable for one, "cozy" for two, "longest night of my life" for three. On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Jerry <wd4mph@yahoo.com> writes:
I am currently the owner of a Sea Pearl 21 with convertible cabin, which is ok for just me, but since my two grandsons now go with me nearly every time I am out, I really need a boat that will sleep 3 comfortably. I am 5'7"; my oldest grandson, age 14, is a couple inches taller already, and my 10 yr old grandson will probably become adult size early as well. We just came back from a 5 day trip on the barrier islands near Pensacola, and the boys had to tent camp in the sand.
Question: are the berths in an M-17 comfortable for three adults?
Thanks, Jerry Renno
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I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t
Well, if you have some sort of boom tent and reasonable weather, the M17 is capable of sleeping 3 (or 4?) - That said, the boat is a small boat, and if people move around you know it! cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:25 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping accomodations I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I'd have to say, after having slept aboard both boats, that the berth on an M15 is better (more spacious once horizontal) than the berth on a 17. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 5:25 PM
to add into tod's, shawn's, tom's and larry's comments - the M15 is a fiberglass tent ... a very large one able to carry a LOT of possessions (so it is also a VERY VERY large backpack in addition to being a tent. if you have experience in backpacking the M15 is very comfortable for two people ... EXTREMELY comfortable for one. the berth is nicer than some boats of larger size. the longest trip i've done in SCRED is the san juan islands trip last summer. this trip wasn't close to being 'too long' for me ... but again i have A LOT of backpacking experience so SCRED seems like i'm 'living large.' i've 'visiting' M17s. these boats seem like there must be 5 or more feet present than the two feet we know exists. room to sit up, a nice berth (smaller than the M15 because of the compression post) and for those lucky enough the galley model (bob ... FIND THE MOLD AND MAKE THE GALLEY MODEL AGAIN!). my opinion is the M15 and M17 are two person boats ... the 1/4 berths on the M17s may be OK for a very small child/person. otherwise the M17s 1/4-berths are great cabin seats and storage locations. the M15 is fine for those willing to 'camp' when sailing. the M17 is more civilized. you must keep your perspective with both boats --- they are small. now those folks in the M23s (the old and the new cutters) are living like bill gates ;-) i read, re-read, and read again for 10+ years Handbook of Trailer Sailing by Robert F. Burgess, and Sailing America: A Trailer Sailor's Guide to North America by Lawrence W. Brown (both are a bit west wright potter 'heavy' but still VERY HELPFUL). these books are excellent as they outline what to keep in mind when packing and cruising in a fiberglass backpack and tent. from Sailing America - [the M15] may well be the swiftest of the mico-cruisers. the tall rig and fine entry do well ... [M15 #283 pictured] dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred htmills@zoominternet.net wrote: I'd have to say, after having slept aboard both boats, that the berth on an M15 is better (more spacious once horizontal) than the berth on a 17. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas Shawn Boles <shawn@ori.org> wrote: Well, if you have some sort of boom tent and reasonable weather, the M17 is capable of sleeping 3 (or 4?) - That said, the boat is a small boat, and if people move around you know it! cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978) Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote: I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I agree with you comments about the backpacking analogy. I've backpacked all but 60-65 miles of the AP in Va and nearly all of the Massanutten Trail When I started doing canoe trips I quickly learnd the old Navy addage "Why carry it, if it can carry you!!!" So now I'm glad I saved a lot of my backpacking equipment and more importantly the experiences. Also, thanks for the tip on the books, I will be making my order soon. Fair Winds, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping accomodations
to add into tod's, shawn's, tom's and larry's comments -
the M15 is a fiberglass tent ... a very large one able to carry a LOT of possessions (so it is also a VERY VERY large backpack in addition to being a tent. if you have experience in backpacking the M15 is very comfortable for two people ... EXTREMELY comfortable for one. the berth is nicer than some boats of larger size. the longest trip i've done in SCRED is the san juan islands trip last summer. this trip wasn't close to being 'too long' for me ... but again i have A LOT of backpacking experience so SCRED seems like i'm 'living large.'
i've 'visiting' M17s. these boats seem like there must be 5 or more feet present than the two feet we know exists. room to sit up, a nice berth (smaller than the M15 because of the compression post) and for those lucky enough the galley model (bob ... FIND THE MOLD AND MAKE THE GALLEY MODEL AGAIN!).
my opinion is the M15 and M17 are two person boats ... the 1/4 berths on the M17s may be OK for a very small child/person. otherwise the M17s 1/4-berths are great cabin seats and storage locations.
the M15 is fine for those willing to 'camp' when sailing. the M17 is more civilized. you must keep your perspective with both boats --- they are small. now those folks in the M23s (the old and the new cutters) are living like bill gates ;-)
i read, re-read, and read again for 10+ years Handbook of Trailer Sailing by Robert F. Burgess, and Sailing America: A Trailer Sailor's Guide to North America by Lawrence W. Brown (both are a bit west wright potter 'heavy' but still VERY HELPFUL). these books are excellent as they outline what to keep in mind when packing and cruising in a fiberglass backpack and tent.
from Sailing America - [the M15] may well be the swiftest of the mico-cruisers. the tall rig and fine entry do well ... [M15 #283 pictured]
dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
htmills@zoominternet.net wrote: I'd have to say, after having slept aboard both boats, that the berth on an M15 is better (more spacious once horizontal) than the berth on a 17.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas Shawn Boles <shawn@ori.org> wrote:
Well, if you have some sort of boom tent and reasonable weather, the M17 is capable of sleeping 3 (or 4?) - That said, the boat is a small boat, and if people move around you know it!
cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote: I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t
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Joe, The Handbook of Trailer Sailing by Robert F. Burgess, is out of print.? You will not be able to purchase this book at the bookstore (ie. Waldons, Boarders, Barnes & Nobles?etc).? You can look on Amazon.com and find a used copy.? This is what I had to do.? It's a good book with lots of good ideas. Skip "Wild Guppy" M-15 #201 1982 -----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:56 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping accomodations I agree with you comments about the backpacking analogy. I've backpacked all but 60-65 miles of the AP in Va and nearly all of the Massanutten Trail When I started doing canoe trips I quickly learnd the old Navy addage "Why carry it, if it can carry you!!!" So now I'm glad I saved a lot of my backpacking equipment and more importantly the experiences. Also, thanks for the tip on the books, I will be making my order soon. Fair Winds, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping accomodations
to add into tod's, shawn's, tom's and larry's comments -
the M15 is a fiberglass tent ... a very large one able to carry a LOT of possessions (so it is also a VERY VERY large backpack in addition to being a tent. if you have experience in backpacking the M15 is very comfortable for two people ... EXTREMELY comfortable for one. the berth is nicer than some boats of larger size. the longest trip i've done in SCRED is the san juan islands trip last summer. this trip wasn't close to being 'too long' for me ... but again i have A LOT of backpacking experience so SCRED seems like i'm 'living large.'
i've 'visiting' M17s. these boats seem like there must be 5 or more feet present than the two feet we know exists. room to sit up, a nice berth (smaller than the M15 because of the compression post) and for those lucky enough the galley model (bob ... FIND THE MOLD AND MAKE THE GALLEY MODEL AGAIN!).
my opinion is the M15 and M17 are two person boats ... the 1/4 berths on the M17s may be OK for a very small child/person. otherwise the M17s 1/4-berths are great cabin seats and storage locations.
the M15 is fine for those willing to 'camp' when sailing. the M17 is more civilized. you must keep your perspective with both boats --- they are small. now those folks in the M23s (the old and the new cutters) are living like bill gates ;-)
i read, re-read, and read again for 10+ years Handbook of Trailer Sailing by Robert F. Burgess, and Sailing America: A Trailer Sailor's Guide to North America by Lawrence W. Brown (both are a bit west wright potter 'heavy' but still VERY HELPFUL). these books are excellent as they outline what to keep in mind when packing and cruising in a fiberglass backpack and tent.
from Sailing America - [the M15] may well be the swiftest of the mico-cruisers. the tall rig and fine entry do well ... [M15 #283 pictured]
dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
htmills@zoominternet.net wrote: I'd have to say, after having slept aboard both boats, that the berth on an M15 is better (more spacious once horizontal) than the berth on a 17.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas Shawn Boles <shawn@ori.org> wrote:
Well, if you have some sort of boom tent and reasonable weather, the M17 is capable of sleeping 3 (or 4?) - That said, the boat is a small boat, and if people move around you know it!
cheers, Shawn Boles Grey Mist (M17 #276 1978)
Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote: I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t
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Add me to that list. My wife and I did spend 7 days aboard the M17 last summer....and are still married. It can be done specially if you are smaller people. But, I got the 17 for luxury small boat cruising for ME. One person. The 17 is perfect for that. Best way, we found, to have two people be comfortable for sleeping is one in the V berth and one in the cockpit. My wife is long and narrow....just like bench seat in an M17 cockpit. ~:0) Tim in Kelowna......experiencing a rare heavy rainfall. ======================== I'm with Larry on this one. The M17 is perfect for one person (which makes the M15 less than perfect, but acceptable. Three in an M17 puts somebody in the quarter berth. Someone you don't like very much. t _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1493 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 5:25 PM
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