Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0 David GrahBishop California Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80@yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either. Sent from my iPhone
Absolutely correct David Grah! My M17, '84 #375 is A OKAY!! I know of many more M17's 10+, say 13+ years older that have steel ballast and cast iron boards that are still 100%. The issue is care and maintenance. Find out the boat's history and decide if you trust the seller. Ignore anything and it will fail - I'm sure some of us take our cars & trucks in for service every now and then ;-). Some of us may have rebed some deck hardware over the years. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 11:28 AM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0
David GrahBishop California
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80@yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either.
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Knock on wood, My M 17, 1977 is still in fine shape. I have had the board out, sand blasted and repainted but so far it runs freely up and down in the trunk. I did detect a small leak at the pivot pin a couple years back. When I dropped the board I plugged one end of the hole and pressure injected some epoxy in it to fill the void I detected with the board and pin out. Then I re-drilled the pin hole and all is still fine with no rust seepage. I have enjoyed upgrading and maintaining my 17 as much as I do trying out new sail rigging setups. Presently I have an 80 sq ' jib kit to sew together. fun. Fair winds, Tom B, Monty 17 #258, AS-IS On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 3:51 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely correct David Grah!
My M17, '84 #375 is A OKAY!! I know of many more M17's 10+, say 13+ years older that have steel ballast and cast iron boards that are still 100%. The issue is care and maintenance.
Find out the boat's history and decide if you trust the seller.
Ignore anything and it will fail - I'm sure some of us take our cars & trucks in for service every now and then ;-). Some of us may have rebed some deck hardware over the years.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019, 11:28 AM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0
David GrahBishop California
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80@yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either.
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Always wise to verify the situation before buying. And in a similar vein to David, each person has to decide what is a deal-breaker for them. My old #38 M17 is steel and still OK, including finding that the previous owners somewhere along the line did a super-crap "repair" job on a CB stop bolt that busted out downwards on starboard side at some point. I wrote about fixing this a year or two ago. Bottom line is water was in the keel, who knows how many times before, how long, fresh or salt (only fresh on my part, when I found the leak, but it was up in Seattle before me). Still no issues with swelling, in my particular boat. I reckon some of these keel fills have enough slack in them (space for the punchings to expand) that they don't jam. In some areas...maybe not all...it is probably pretty random which will have problems and which not, of those that get water in the keel. When I drilled to drain mine, there were loose punchings that came out of some holes. Some were darker and some shinier; none seemed to have actual rust-colored rust on them. All were oily, machine oil, could smell it, OEM from the punching supplier. Which would also slow/reduce rusting. So an older Monty with steel punching ballast is not DOA, in my book, especially if there's no history of any leakage into the keel and the trunk is not swollen and jamming the CB (not to be confused with a rusting CB jamming in a perfectly fine trunk). I like the boat enough that if at some point I do get swelling from rusting punchings that jams my CB, I will most likely open up the keel and do the remove/replace with lead. YMMV and so on... cheers, John On 03/08/2019 11:26 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Not to take issue, but I believe my 1985 or 1986 Montgomery 15 has steel ballast and it has never caused a bit of problem nor bit of worry from me. I would acknowledge that lead ballast might be preferred, but would dispute that it is the only way to go. We love our steel ballasted 15! Videos to prove it: https://www.youtube.com/user/dgrah/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=0
David GrahBishop California
Message: 6 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2019 10:26:51 -0500 From: islandergirl80@yahoo.com To: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz@mac.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 vs M15 Message-ID: <F60521E9-EB03-4821-8F2C-5CE96D2CA329@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn?t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn?t care either.
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