Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter?? https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
It's a Montgomery 15. Connie On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
Tyler Heerwagen: As Connie wrote the smaller boat on the right is a Montgomery 15 (see sail insignia 'M15' and the lapstrake hull) The larger boat on the left looks to be a Folkboat. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 1:13 PM Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
It's a Montgomery 15.
Connie
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's. Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers. Connie ex M-15 #400 LEPPO On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
Not to 'correct' a seasoned old salt Connie...and, the article says it's a Cheoy Lee 25. Though of course given the "Potter 18" mistake, I didn't trust that straight out. It's close in size and looks to a Folkboat but the 'regular' (Nordic) Folkboat is a lapstrake hull (wrinkelboat!) and this one is clearly not. The later "International Folkboat" (which I've sailed) is not lapstrake (or wood) and has a stepped cabin top. And there are a bunch of Nordic Folkboats in SF Bay. So I did a little research... Nothing 25' under Cheoy Lee name directly, but she appears to be a "Frisco Flyer 25" (built and co-designed by Cheoy Lee): https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/frisco-flyer ...which would make sense for a boat restored and sailing on SF Bay. Some pictures are scattered thru this search result: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheoy+lee+25+sailboat&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images Love those old Nordic style boats. cheers, John On 9/2/20 1:19 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's.
Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers.
Connie
ex M-15 #400 LEPPO
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi John, Thanks for the correction. I only knew Folkboats when living in Europe, and was never aware that Cheoy Lee built something "similar". But the wrinkle boat with the M-15 in the mainsail, is definitely a Montgomery 15, and not a Potter. I hope you are healthy and enjoying sailing in your corner of the world. Ciao, Connie On 9/2/2020 3:38 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:
Not to 'correct' a seasoned old salt Connie...and, the article says it's a Cheoy Lee 25.
Though of course given the "Potter 18" mistake, I didn't trust that straight out.
It's close in size and looks to a Folkboat but the 'regular' (Nordic) Folkboat is a lapstrake hull (wrinkelboat!) and this one is clearly not. The later "International Folkboat" (which I've sailed) is not lapstrake (or wood) and has a stepped cabin top. And there are a bunch of Nordic Folkboats in SF Bay.
So I did a little research...
Nothing 25' under Cheoy Lee name directly, but she appears to be a "Frisco Flyer 25" (built and co-designed by Cheoy Lee): https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/frisco-flyer
...which would make sense for a boat restored and sailing on SF Bay.
Some pictures are scattered thru this search result: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheoy+lee+25+sailboat&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images
Love those old Nordic style boats.
cheers, John
On 9/2/20 1:19 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's.
Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers.
Connie
ex M-15 #400 LEPPO
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
Seems - "Between 1957 and 1970 Cheoy Lee produced approximatley 133 folkboats originaly sold as the the Offshore 25, better known as the Frisco Flyer." Essentially the same hull as the Folkboat. The deck, house and rig changed through various versions including being produced in fiberglass. The one pictured in 38North _really_ looks like a Folkboat including the diamond/jumper spreaders and fractional rig with forestay attached on the foredeck not stem. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 2:13 PM Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the correction.
I only knew Folkboats when living in Europe, and was never aware that Cheoy Lee built something "similar".
But the wrinkle boat with the M-15 in the mainsail, is definitely a Montgomery 15, and not a Potter.
I hope you are healthy and enjoying sailing in your corner of the world.
Ciao,
Connie
On 9/2/2020 3:38 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:
Not to 'correct' a seasoned old salt Connie...and, the article says it's a Cheoy Lee 25.
Though of course given the "Potter 18" mistake, I didn't trust that straight out.
It's close in size and looks to a Folkboat but the 'regular' (Nordic) Folkboat is a lapstrake hull (wrinkelboat!) and this one is clearly not. The later "International Folkboat" (which I've sailed) is not lapstrake (or wood) and has a stepped cabin top. And there are a bunch of Nordic Folkboats in SF Bay.
So I did a little research...
Nothing 25' under Cheoy Lee name directly, but she appears to be a "Frisco Flyer 25" (built and co-designed by Cheoy Lee): https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/frisco-flyer
...which would make sense for a boat restored and sailing on SF Bay.
Some pictures are scattered thru this search result:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheoy+lee+25+sailboat&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images
Love those old Nordic style boats.
cheers, John
On 9/2/20 1:19 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's.
Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers.
Connie
ex M-15 #400 LEPPO
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
Interesting...where did you find that? No Offshore 25 in sailboatdata.com, but there is a 26: https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/offshore-26-cheoy-lee ...the notes at the bottom say about the same as you found, indicating "folkboat variant" hull. Notes on the Frisco Flyer variant say: ------------ Notes The FRISCO FLYER was first produced as the PACIFIC CLIPPER and later as the OFFSHORE 26. The name "Frisco Flyer" originated with the Richard Reed, yacht brokerage in San Francisco. Their brochure described it as a "modified Folkboat." The FOLKBOAT was originally designed by Tord Sunden, and modifications to the design were made by unnamed Cheoy Lee staff. There are three types, all available with various options (diesel vs. gas, stainless vs. plow steel rigging, canvas vs. teak decks, etc.): a. PACIFIC CLIPPER: all teak, small trunk cabin, original Folkboat-like fractional rig with double spreaders and returning shrouds. Sometimes referred to as a FRISCO FLYER Mark I. b. FRISCO FLYER Mark II, larger teak trunk cabin, masthead rig. c. FRISCO FLYER Mark III, larger teak doghouse cabin, some standing headroom, masthead rig. The first FRISCO FLYER was built in 1957 and made two single-handed Atlantic crossings that year. ---------------- The standing rigs on similar boats of that era are often also similar...I've seen a bunch over various visits to the "old country" (Finland and Sweden) and the rig as Dave describes it is typical on day-boats of ~6 meters on up to as big as they were making them. Gotta be careful messing with the original Folkboat...I heard from an old salt years ago that the International Folkboat upset a lot of folkboat devotees, because it was neither lapstrake nor wood (!!). cheers, John On 9/2/20 2:30 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Seems -
"Between 1957 and 1970 Cheoy Lee produced approximatley 133 folkboats originaly sold as the the Offshore 25, better known as the Frisco Flyer."
Essentially the same hull as the Folkboat. The deck, house and rig changed through various versions including being produced in fiberglass.
The one pictured in 38North _really_ looks like a Folkboat including the diamond/jumper spreaders and fractional rig with forestay attached on the foredeck not stem.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 2:13 PM Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the correction.
I only knew Folkboats when living in Europe, and was never aware that Cheoy Lee built something "similar".
But the wrinkle boat with the M-15 in the mainsail, is definitely a Montgomery 15, and not a Potter.
I hope you are healthy and enjoying sailing in your corner of the world.
Ciao,
Connie
On 9/2/2020 3:38 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:
Not to 'correct' a seasoned old salt Connie...and, the article says it's a Cheoy Lee 25.
Though of course given the "Potter 18" mistake, I didn't trust that straight out.
It's close in size and looks to a Folkboat but the 'regular' (Nordic) Folkboat is a lapstrake hull (wrinkelboat!) and this one is clearly not. The later "International Folkboat" (which I've sailed) is not lapstrake (or wood) and has a stepped cabin top. And there are a bunch of Nordic Folkboats in SF Bay.
So I did a little research...
Nothing 25' under Cheoy Lee name directly, but she appears to be a "Frisco Flyer 25" (built and co-designed by Cheoy Lee): https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/frisco-flyer
...which would make sense for a boat restored and sailing on SF Bay.
Some pictures are scattered thru this search result:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheoy+lee+25+sailboat&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images
Love those old Nordic style boats.
cheers, John
On 9/2/20 1:19 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's.
Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers.
Connie
ex M-15 #400 LEPPO
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Correct. Those Cheoy Lees are not lapstrake. So, calling them Folkboats borders on blasphemy. They are more like Contessas. My dreamboat is a fiberglass Nordic Folkboat. But, even used, they are pretty expensive, so my M17 will have to do for now. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 4:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Is this a Montgomery or a Potter?? Not to 'correct' a seasoned old salt Connie...and, the article says it's a Cheoy Lee 25. Though of course given the "Potter 18" mistake, I didn't trust that straight out. It's close in size and looks to a Folkboat but the 'regular' (Nordic) Folkboat is a lapstrake hull (wrinkelboat!) and this one is clearly not. The later "International Folkboat" (which I've sailed) is not lapstrake (or wood) and has a stepped cabin top. And there are a bunch of Nordic Folkboats in SF Bay. So I did a little research... Nothing 25' under Cheoy Lee name directly, but she appears to be a "Frisco Flyer 25" (built and co-designed by Cheoy Lee): https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/frisco-flyer ...which would make sense for a boat restored and sailing on SF Bay. Some pictures are scattered thru this search result: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cheoy+lee+25+sailboat&t=brave&iax=images&ia=images Love those old Nordic style boats. cheers, John On 9/2/20 1:19 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
The bigger boat is a "Folkboat" - the Swedish Model T for sailors. A wonderful boat. I sailed one in the Stockholm Archipelago, back in the early '60's.
Very seaworthy. Tehy've been across the Atlantic many times with single-handers.
Connie
ex M-15 #400 LEPPO
On 9/2/2020 2:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
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Don't you believe the caption? Says clearly it's a Potter 18. ;-) ;-) Bet the Potter folks are scratching their heads over that one too. Not a single Potter in the pics for the article about the Potter Yachters, which is also kind of amusing. cheers, John On 9/2/20 12:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Clearly whom edited the article doesn't know small boats. Goose's ReGail isn't pictured in any of the articles photos. Thinking Goose sent the incorrect photo to 38North. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 1:22 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Don't you believe the caption?
Says clearly it's a Potter 18.
;-) ;-)
Bet the Potter folks are scratching their heads over that one too.
Not a single Potter in the pics for the article about the Potter Yachters, which is also kind of amusing.
cheers, John
On 9/2/20 12:44 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm...
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Montgomery 15 Tyler. Bob Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter?? https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm... <1599075793426blob.jpg> <Potter-and-Mai-Tai.jpg> <1599075793426blob.jpg>
It was sort of a rhetorical question, I was pretty sure I was looking at a Montgomery! On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 03:38:01 PM PDT, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote: Montgomery 15 Tyler. Bob Sent from my iPad On Sep 2, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter?? https://www.latitude38.com/lectronic/potter-yachters-clear-out-the-haze/?utm... <1599075793426blob.jpg><Potter-and-Mai-Tai.jpg><1599075793426blob.jpg>
I understood Tyler! (I figured you knew it was a Montgomery) 😃 On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:43 PM Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
It was sort of a rhetorical question, I was pretty sure I was looking at a Montgomery!
On Wednesday, September 2, 2020, 03:38:01 PM PDT, Bob Eeg < montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
Montgomery 15 Tyler. Bob
Sent from my iPad
On Sep 2, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Is this a Montgomery or a Potter Yachter??
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