Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
With a lot of help from those on this list, particularly Stan Sussman (hope I spelled that right), a year and a half ago I removed the bottom paint on my Montgomery 15. What a miserable process. But I like the bottom now. I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding bottom paint if you can! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky Message: 31 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) From: swwheatley@comcast.net To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Message-ID: <1690430617.8751316.1475171329603.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I keep my boat moored in salt water all summer long and agree with Dave's advice. If you can, avoid bottom paint. If you can't, use copolymer (a/k/a self-polishing) paint. Someone else mentioned a barrier coat. If your gelcoat is in good condition you DO NOT need that. The usual practice is to use hard paint the first season and then let that act as a guide coat under self-polishing paint of a different color in subsequent seasons. When the hard paint starts to show through the self-polishing paint, it is time to recoat. Also, when you first paint gelcoat, you must thoroughly clean AND dewax it, no matter how old the boat is.
Thank you all for the help. I have gone from "not a clue" to a fairly decent idea of the issues involved in putting an M-boat into Salt Water.
From the sounds of it, I would do lots better to just take it out regularly. Not sure how this will all pan out. Lots of options. Working on husband to come to the Wrinkleboat Festival 2017..
Gail On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:58 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
With a lot of help from those on this list, particularly Stan Sussman (hope I spelled that right), a year and a half ago I removed the bottom paint on my Montgomery 15. What a miserable process. But I like the bottom now. I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding bottom paint if you can! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky
Message: 31 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) From: swwheatley@comcast.net To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Message-ID: <1690430617.8751316.1475171329603.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I keep my boat moored in salt water all summer long and agree with Dave's advice. If you can, avoid bottom paint. If you can't, use copolymer (a/k/a self-polishing) paint.
Someone else mentioned a barrier coat. If your gelcoat is in good condition you DO NOT need that. The usual practice is to use hard paint the first season and then let that act as a guide coat under self-polishing paint of a different color in subsequent seasons. When the hard paint starts to show through the self-polishing paint, it is time to recoat. Also, when you first paint gelcoat, you must thoroughly clean AND dewax it, no matter how old the boat is.
You're welcome, I think those of us with saltwater experience in our M-boats have covered the hull issue thoroughly. Do not overlook your motor and your trailer, they will both need fresh water treatment, flush the motor by running it in a 5 gallon bucket of fresh water (this can be done while mounted on the boat and trailer), and you can do the trailer with the same pressure washer you use on your boat, and remember to grease the trailer wheel-bearings. Steve M-15 # 335-- -----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:01 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Thank you all for the help. I have gone from "not a clue" to a fairly decent idea of the issues involved in putting an M-boat into Salt Water.
From the sounds of it, I would do lots better to just take it out regularly. Not sure how this will all pan out. Lots of options. Working on husband to come to the Wrinkleboat Festival 2017..
Gail On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:58 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
With a lot of help from those on this list, particularly Stan Sussman (hope I spelled that right), a year and a half ago I removed the bottom paint on my Montgomery 15. What a miserable process. But I like the bottom now. I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding bottom paint if you can! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky
Message: 31 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) From: swwheatley@comcast.net To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Message-ID: <1690430617.8751316.1475171329603.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I keep my boat moored in salt water all summer long and agree with Dave's advice. If you can, avoid bottom paint. If you can't, use copolymer (a/k/a self-polishing) paint.
Someone else mentioned a barrier coat. If your gelcoat is in good condition you DO NOT need that. The usual practice is to use hard paint the first season and then let that act as a guide coat under self-polishing paint of a different color in subsequent seasons. When the hard paint starts to show through the self-polishing paint, it is time to recoat. Also, when you first paint gelcoat, you must thoroughly clean AND dewax it, no matter how old the boat is.
one last recommendation Gail. if you are going to leave the boat in the water for more than a couple of weeks DO go with bottom paint. 'pulling the boat out and cleaning every few weeks' is an accident waiting to happen. life happens, you get busy ... two weeks becomes four weeks becomes months. the bottom of the boat will have barnacles that WILL damage the gel coat. this is in addition to sea grasses that will have taken root (yes, their roots into the gel coat). cleaning the boat in-water IS NOT fun and NOTeasy. divers do this with air tanks and a dry suit (Puget Sound is 50 degrees all the time). if a skip happens see above about barnacles & gel coat. Jerry's hull designs are a work of art that results in a stronger and boat ... but the non-flat lapstrake hull is difficult to clean around the 'laps'. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
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From: Gail Russell Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
Thank you all for the help. I have gone from "not a clue" to a fairly decent idea of the issues involved in putting an M-boat into Salt Water. From the sounds of it, I would do lots better to just take it out regularly. Not sure how this will all pan out. Lots of options. Working on husband to come to the Wrinkleboat Festival 2017..
Gail
Hi Gail, Humm, how to STOP the help from coming in. On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 6:01 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Thank you all for the help. I have gone from "not a clue" to a fairly decent idea of the issues involved in putting an M-boat into Salt Water. From the sounds of it, I would do lots better to just take it out regularly. Not sure how this will all pan out. Lots of options. Working on husband to come to the Wrinkleboat Festival 2017..
Gail
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 11:58 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
With a lot of help from those on this list, particularly Stan Sussman (hope I spelled that right), a year and a half ago I removed the bottom paint on my Montgomery 15. What a miserable process. But I like the bottom now. I wholeheartedly agree about avoiding bottom paint if you can! David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky
Message: 31 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 17:48:49 +0000 (UTC) From: swwheatley@comcast.net To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Message-ID: <1690430617.8751316.1475171329603.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
I keep my boat moored in salt water all summer long and agree with Dave's advice. If you can, avoid bottom paint. If you can't, use copolymer (a/k/a self-polishing) paint.
Someone else mentioned a barrier coat. If your gelcoat is in good condition you DO NOT need that. The usual practice is to use hard paint the first season and then let that act as a guide coat under self-polishing paint of a different color in subsequent seasons. When the hard paint starts to show through the self-polishing paint, it is time to recoat. Also, when you first paint gelcoat, you must thoroughly clean AND dewax it, no matter how old the boat is.
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
On 9/30/2016 1:04 PM, Gail Russell wrote: Ah Ha, now we know who the silent lurker is who has been listen in on our chit-chat. Glad to hear that you are afloat again. Lurk no more.... Ciao, Connie
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
Gail: Hydeaway2 has a galvanized trailer with bearing buddies on the axles. The grease (not oil) in the grease gun I provided is wheel bearing grease designed for such use. You can look on line to see more about them, but I just grease them every spring and just before launching if I've driven a long way. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/30/2016 1:04 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Ah Ha, now we know who the silent lurker is who has been listen in on our chit-chat.
Glad to hear that you are afloat again. Lurk no more....
Ciao, Connie
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
Thanks Gary! Jim did not think there was a zerk fitting on it, and I had not gone out to look. That is a relief. We have a friend whom we hope will come with us to launch soon. We have taken her to Bodega Bay twice. First time, we could not figure out how to set up the jib furling system. Got the directions on that, and went out another day. That day, we got her all rigged, and in the water, and putt-putted around, and decided that was enough for that day as the wind was coming up and we were tired. When you are old, you have to save your strength, and we have made a solemn pact between us not to push on after we are too tired to make good decisions. So...we have not yet sailed.... but getting closer. Gail On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:20 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Gail: Hydeaway2 has a galvanized trailer with bearing buddies on the axles. The grease (not oil) in the grease gun I provided is wheel bearing grease designed for such use. You can look on line to see more about them, but I just grease them every spring and just before launching if I've driven a long way.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/30/2016 1:04 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Ah Ha, now we know who the silent lurker is who has been listen in on our chit-chat.
Glad to hear that you are afloat again. Lurk no more....
Ciao, Connie
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
Good thinking! Happy sailing. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Thanks Gary!
Jim did not think there was a zerk fitting on it, and I had not gone out to look. That is a relief. We have a friend whom we hope will come with us to launch soon. We have taken her to Bodega Bay twice. First time, we could not figure out how to set up the jib furling system. Got the directions on that, and went out another day. That day, we got her all rigged, and in the water, and putt-putted around, and decided that was enough for that day as the wind was coming up and we were tired. When you are old, you have to save your strength, and we have made a solemn pact between us not to push on after we are too tired to make good decisions. So...we have not yet sailed.... but getting closer.
Gail
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:20 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Gail: Hydeaway2 has a galvanized trailer with bearing buddies on the axles. The grease (not oil) in the grease gun I provided is wheel bearing grease designed for such use. You can look on line to see more about them, but I just grease them every spring and just before launching if I've driven a long way.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/30/2016 1:04 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Ah Ha, now we know who the silent lurker is who has been listen in on our chit-chat.
Glad to hear that you are afloat again. Lurk no more....
Ciao, Connie
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
Soon! On Sep 30, 2016 11:19 PM, "GARY M HYDE" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Good thinking! Happy sailing.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Thanks Gary!
Jim did not think there was a zerk fitting on it, and I had not gone out to look. That is a relief. We have a friend whom we hope will come with us to launch soon. We have taken her to Bodega Bay twice. First time, we could not figure out how to set up the jib furling system. Got the directions on that, and went out another day. That day, we got her all rigged, and in the water, and putt-putted around, and decided that was enough for that day as the wind was coming up and we were tired. When you are old, you have to save your strength, and we have made a solemn pact between us not to push on after we are too tired to make good decisions. So...we have not yet sailed.... but getting closer.
Gail
On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 7:20 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Gail: Hydeaway2 has a galvanized trailer with bearing buddies on the axles. The grease (not oil) in the grease gun I provided is wheel bearing grease designed for such use. You can look on line to see more about them, but I just grease them every spring and just before launching if I've driven a long way.
~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Sep 30, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/30/2016 1:04 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Ah Ha, now we know who the silent lurker is who has been listen in on our chit-chat.
Glad to hear that you are afloat again. Lurk no more....
Ciao, Connie
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> [image: Attachments]Sep 30 (1 day ago) to For *6* of *4,945* Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Hi Gail, Now how to STOP the help from coming in.🤔 I have fiberglass hulled boats in Galveston Bay for over thirty years starting with a Monty 17. As long as the bottoms were painted the marine life could be contained. As far as Monties are concerned the only "Achilles heel" I can see is the aluminum tube fiberglassed into the hull for the cockpit drain. It is below the waterline so is subject to galvanic corrosion, especially in salt water where there are other dissimilar metals in the area and especially in a marina full of boats with shore power and current leaking into the water from them. My Monty never sprung a leak there but I think I just lucked out in that the aluminum tube was not exposed to the salt water due to its being painted inside the tube. I would check that in your boat with a flashlight. If the tube is dirty, clean it with a rotary brush on a hand drill. You can buy extensions for the brush that will in turn chuck into the drill. That will give you a good look at the inside of the aluminum tube. If you see ANY bare metal it is time to get some epoxy and generously coat the inside of the tube with it after it is well cleaned with that steel brush. I have even considered removing the aluminum tube and replacing it with a bronze seacock which would also involve cutting a hole in the aft wall of your cockpit to gain access to the cockpit drain area. I have already installed an access panel in this area for other reasons and found it IMMENSELY handy for gaining access to the rudder gudgeons, stern light wiring as well as transom ladder bolts and the cockpit drain. All I did was draw a line all around the inside edge of the aft wall of the cockpit, two inches in. That will end up with a rectangular shape. I then drilled holes with a 1 inch hole saw at the corners to relieve tension in the hull and cut the rest out with a saber saw or a cutoff saw that vibrates side to side at the end of an electric motor mounted in a handle. Very handy tool also. When the fiberglass piece was removed I found a plastic cutting board that would cover the hole plus give me room to drill holes around its perimeter. I then stuck a piece of foam gasket to the remaining wall of the cockpit and screwed the cutting board in place using ss sheet metal screws. It is easily removable, water tight and allows inspection of some very important parts of the boat. Since then I have installed a 6 inch diameter screw in access hatch in the cutting board so I can instantly gain access to the thru hull for the cockpit drain. Here is a picture before I enlarged the access panel and installed the screw out inspection plate available at marine supply outlets everywhere. Have fun, Tom b On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
No need to stop the help. I love it. There is a reason I have been lurking on this list for 5 years when I have had no sailboat.
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