sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote: I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...).
eeeeeuup. that just about exactly describes the situation. And I thought I had put us into a safe reach that would allow me to not pay attention for a second. Heh, Just wait until I tell my passengers we went into a death roll. They'll really want to get on a boat again after that! <chuckle!> On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...).
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A death roll weeds out the sissies. t On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Chris Smith<chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
eeeeeuup. that just about exactly describes the situation. And I thought I had put us into a safe reach that would allow me to not pay attention for a second. Heh, Just wait until I tell my passengers we went into a death roll. They'll really want to get on a boat again after that! <chuckle!>
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:58 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...).
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Hey Everybody!!! Read what Dave sent. And don't forget your preventer!! Thanks for digging this up, Dave. Joe Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: death roll broach sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA --- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote: I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...). _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Just talked to one of my passengers and she thought that the boom didn't cross the cockpit until we we were already in the water. I'm thinking there was a broach and, combined with the weight distribution, the deathroll. Fortunately, it seemed we went over before the boom swung over into the water and there was no damage to the rigging or hardware. The knockdown was quick, too. After we were all in the water, I swam around to the other side and pulled just a bit on the keel and the boat popped right back up. No one was hurt, and now, a couple days after the fact, they've developed good senses of humor about it. again, <chuckle> Chris On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Hey Everybody!!! Read what Dave sent. And don't forget your preventer!! Thanks for digging this up, Dave. Joe Seafrog
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: death roll broach
sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...).
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So you all went swimming? Thats a rare event under any circumstances. And a good reminder that in those types of conditions, full hatch boards are a good idea. About a month ago, we were racing in building winds. By then end of my downhill run, it was blowing 30 knots plus and I still had a full main and working jib up. I was trying to maintain a broad reach to keep the jib pulling, but was getting too high to round the mark. Whenever I would fall off so the main was blanketing the jib I found myself fighting the tiller as she was doing her best to round up. Quartering to some big rollers made it even more interesting. But an M15 would have the same thing going on.....big main and small fractional jib, so the leverage is far off to one side and rounding up is what the boat want's to do. I also remember thinking how nice it was to have all that blade of rudder deep in the water......and a strong white oak tiller to hang on to! On Jul 13, 2009, at 11:46 AM, Chris Smith wrote:
Just talked to one of my passengers and she thought that the boom didn't cross the cockpit until we we were already in the water. I'm thinking there was a broach and, combined with the weight distribution, the deathroll. Fortunately, it seemed we went over before the boom swung over into the water and there was no damage to the rigging or hardware. The knockdown was quick, too. After we were all in the water, I swam around to the other side and pulled just a bit on the keel and the boat popped right back up. No one was hurt, and now, a couple days after the fact, they've developed good senses of humor about it.
again, <chuckle>
Chris
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Hey Everybody!!! Read what Dave sent. And don't forget your preventer!! Thanks for digging this up, Dave. Joe Seafrog
----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 11:58 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: death roll broach
sounds like you experienced a 'death roll broach' -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_roll
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA
--- On Mon, 7/13/09, Chris Smith <chris.r.smith@gmail.com> wrote:
I had a little knockdown event this past weekend with some first time sailors and I fear I scared them away from sailing for a while... :( The odd thing about it was that we were traveling down wind with the main at 60deg to starboard and we tipped over to port! I'm thinking it was something to do with weight distribution (it didn't help that I was putting on my shirt at that moment and couldn't see what happened...).
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