What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water for a time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom. What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted? What else? Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Gail: Hydeaway2 has sailed in saltwater about 8 times if I remember correctly. Keeping the outboard motor out of the water when not in use is important, and flushing it at the end of the season too. I don't think painting the mast is useful at all, but it will be interesting to hear what others say. Happy sailing! G M Hyde Sent from my iPad
On Sep 28, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound -----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom. What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted? What else? Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month.
I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting. Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings. By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint? Should I have the trailer painted? Gail
Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
California has close to 1000 miles of Pacific salt water coast with many boaters, check with your local boat shop or marina for what they recommend. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 7:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month.
I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting. Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings. By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint? Should I have the trailer painted? Gail
Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Holly Cow, The mast does not need any coating! If you are going to keep the boat in salt water for any length of time you need to have a barrier coat painted on the bottom then bottom paint on top of that. There are different bottom paints for boats kept in the water full time and trailer boats where the active chemicals are still effective with the boat out of the water for a period of time. I would love to have my M-17 in the water but if you have a boat that has never had bottom paint, I would think long and hard before going down that road. Jim E M-17 #603 Grace On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month.
I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting.
Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings.
By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint?
Should I have the trailer painted?
Gail
Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
On 9/28/2016 10:00 PM, Jim Ellsworth wrote: Hi Gail, In this discussion I didn't see if you were going to keep the boat in salt water for a longer period of time - say, all summer; or if you were trailer sailing and going into salt water for just a weekend or a few more days. For long term salt water immersion you need protection against barnacles. If you are only going to be in salt water for a few days at a time, then I'd forget about bottom paint and just wash off the hull thoroughly when it is hauled out again. Sailing for a few day in salt water doesn't give barnacles much of a chance to get established; the boat is moving; and overnight stops arent time enough for them to find you and decide they would like your hull as a new home. But, ... if your boat doesn't have antifouling paint on the bottom, and you leave it at a marina for days or weeks, barnacles will signal to one another, here is a great new home for us, .... settle in and multiply; then you will have a real job getting them off the hull. Barnacles have the best adhesive known to man, and getting them off again will involve a sharp instrument and square inch by square inch of tedious removal. Learned that the hard way when we left our Dyer dinghy in the water one year - no antifouling paint - and were away for three weeks. When we got back, I had the most amazing barnacle growth on the dinghy. The big ones were about 1/2 inch in diameter, with hundreds of offspring looking for their own space .... Connie
Holly Cow,
The mast does not need any coating! If you are going to keep the boat in salt water for any length of time you need to have a barrier coat painted on the bottom then bottom paint on top of that. There are different bottom paints for boats kept in the water full time and trailer boats where the active chemicals are still effective with the boat out of the water for a period of time. I would love to have my M-17 in the water but if you have a boat that has never had bottom paint, I would think long and hard before going down that road.
Jim E M-17 #603 Grace
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting.
Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings.
By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint?
Should I have the trailer painted?
Gail
Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Gail: information about choosing bottom paint - https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/antifouling-bottom-paint-sel... as Jim wrote you don't need to worry about the mast ... it is anodized. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Gail Russell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
I was thinking in terms of a few weeks.. Sounds like, if I do that, I had better be ready to commit to bottom paint. I have seen large boats docked in floating air-filled docks, which elevates them above water. I wonder if that would not be prohibitively expensive for an M-17. Gail On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/28/2016 10:00 PM, Jim Ellsworth wrote:
Hi Gail,
In this discussion I didn't see if you were going to keep the boat in salt water for a longer period of time - say, all summer; or if you were trailer sailing and going into salt water for just a weekend or a few more days.
For long term salt water immersion you need protection against barnacles.
If you are only going to be in salt water for a few days at a time, then I'd forget about bottom paint and just wash off the hull thoroughly when it is hauled out again.
Sailing for a few day in salt water doesn't give barnacles much of a chance to get established; the boat is moving; and overnight stops arent time enough for them to find you and decide they would like your hull as a new home.
But, ... if your boat doesn't have antifouling paint on the bottom, and you leave it at a marina for days or weeks, barnacles will signal to one another, here is a great new home for us, .... settle in and multiply; then you will have a real job getting them off the hull. Barnacles have the best adhesive known to man, and getting them off again will involve a sharp instrument and square inch by square inch of tedious removal.
Learned that the hard way when we left our Dyer dinghy in the water one year - no antifouling paint - and were away for three weeks. When we got back, I had the most amazing barnacle growth on the dinghy. The big ones were about 1/2 inch in diameter, with hundreds of offspring looking for their own space ....
Connie
Holly Cow,
The mast does not need any coating! If you are going to keep the boat in salt water for any length of time you need to have a barrier coat painted on the bottom then bottom paint on top of that. There are different bottom paints for boats kept in the water full time and trailer boats where the active chemicals are still effective with the boat out of the water for a period of time. I would love to have my M-17 in the water but if you have a boat that has never had bottom paint, I would think long and hard before going down that road.
Jim E M-17 #603 Grace
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option
is
to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too,
and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every
month. I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting.
Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings.
By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint?
Should I have the trailer painted?
Gail
Steve
M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega
Bay.
What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Gail: for a couple of weeks ... like two ... the bottom should be fine; BUT will need the bottom power washed, like at a 'do it yourself' car wash. i've done this with my own boats many times. if you go more than a couple of weeks you need to investigate bottom paint (see my prior email with a link to choosing bottom paint as i cover in more detail what i just covered in the last couple of sentences). a lift is an option ... but expensive. there are a couple of Sage 17s moored on a lift. to see a picture of one - https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/sage-17s-seen-from-space/ (in this above link look at the S17 to the far left.) :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I was thinking in terms of a few weeks.. Sounds like, if I do that, I had better be ready to commit to bottom paint.
I have seen large boats docked in floating air-filled docks, which elevates them above water. I wonder if that would not be prohibitively expensive for an M-17.
Gail
I keep my boat moored in salt water all summer long and agree with Dave's advice. If you can, avoid bottom paint. If you can't, use copolymer (a/k/a self-polishing) paint. Someone else mentioned a barrier coat. If your gelcoat is in good condition you DO NOT need that. The usual practice is to use hard paint the first season and then let that act as a guide coat under self-polishing paint of a different color in subsequent seasons. When the hard paint starts to show through the self-polishing paint, it is time to recoat. Also, when you first paint gelcoat, you must thoroughly clean AND dewax it, no matter how old the boat is. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 12:07:14 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time.. Gail: for a couple of weeks ... like two ... the bottom should be fine; BUT will need the bottom power washed, like at a 'do it yourself' car wash. i've done this with my own boats many times. if you go more than a couple of weeks you need to investigate bottom paint (see my prior email with a link to choosing bottom paint as i cover in more detail what i just covered in the last couple of sentences). a lift is an option ... but expensive. there are a couple of Sage 17s moored on a lift. to see a picture of one - https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/sage-17s-seen-from-space/ (in this above link look at the S17 to the far left.) :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I was thinking in terms of a few weeks.. Sounds like, if I do that, I had better be ready to commit to bottom paint.
I have seen large boats docked in floating air-filled docks, which elevates them above water. I wonder if that would not be prohibitively expensive for an M-17.
Gail
Gail, if it is just a few weeks I think you will be ok. I sailed the San Juan / Gulf Islands in 2009 and my boat was in the water for 15 days and it did have some growth on it at the end and I just drove home to California with out washing thinking I would have a good scrubbing in store but it all came off pretty easy. If you are only going to be in the water for a couple of months you could probably just dive or from the surface scrub the hull the best you could and probably be ok, and not have to deal with all the prep for bottom paint. Jim E. M-17 #603 Grace On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:58 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
I was thinking in terms of a few weeks.. Sounds like, if I do that, I had better be ready to commit to bottom paint.
I have seen large boats docked in floating air-filled docks, which elevates them above water. I wonder if that would not be prohibitively expensive for an M-17.
Gail
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/28/2016 10:00 PM, Jim Ellsworth wrote:
Hi Gail,
In this discussion I didn't see if you were going to keep the boat in salt water for a longer period of time - say, all summer; or if you were trailer sailing and going into salt water for just a weekend or a few more days.
For long term salt water immersion you need protection against barnacles.
If you are only going to be in salt water for a few days at a time, then I'd forget about bottom paint and just wash off the hull thoroughly when it is hauled out again.
Sailing for a few day in salt water doesn't give barnacles much of a chance to get established; the boat is moving; and overnight stops arent time enough for them to find you and decide they would like your hull as a new home.
But, ... if your boat doesn't have antifouling paint on the bottom, and you leave it at a marina for days or weeks, barnacles will signal to one another, here is a great new home for us, .... settle in and multiply; then you will have a real job getting them off the hull. Barnacles have the best adhesive known to man, and getting them off again will involve a sharp instrument and square inch by square inch of tedious removal.
Learned that the hard way when we left our Dyer dinghy in the water one year - no antifouling paint - and were away for three weeks. When we got back, I had the most amazing barnacle growth on the dinghy. The big ones were about 1/2 inch in diameter, with hundreds of offspring looking for their own space ....
Connie
Holly Cow,
The mast does not need any coating! If you are going to keep the boat in salt water for any length of time you need to have a barrier coat painted on the bottom then bottom paint on top of that. There are different bottom paints for boats kept in the water full time and trailer boats where the active chemicals are still effective with the boat out of the water for a period of time. I would love to have my M-17 in the water but if you have a boat that has never had bottom paint, I would think long and hard before going down that road.
Jim E M-17 #603 Grace
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option
is
to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to
protest
your hull and galvanize the aluminum.
Is that paint allowed in California?
It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too,
and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every
month. I gather you see pressure washing as a decent alternative to the hull painting.
Note taken about the trailer and wheel bearings.
By, "galvanize the aluminum," do you mean I should have the mast painted with some kind of galvanizing paint?
Should I have the trailer painted?
Gail
Steve
M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Gail Russell Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:40 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: What to do if you want to put an M-boat in Salt water fora time..
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega
Bay.
What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
Clarification please. I just asked husband (who gets to do all the boat work around here, but is not a vehicle mechanic) if there is a zerk fitting on the wheel bearings. Apparently not.. You have to repack the bearings to grease them. Did you really mean to repack the bearings every time one launches in salt water? Gail
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
On 9/29/2016 8:45 PM, Gail Russell wrote: Hi Gail, Buy some "Bearing Buddies". They fit over the wheel bearing;have a grease nipple on the end. When you add grease, to the "Bearing Buddies" you build up pressure in the bearing cavity. This serves to keep water out of your wheel bearings when you launch or retrieve you boat. The position of the "Bearing Buddies" tells you when you have to add more grease. They are a necessity for the trailer, and are available at most auto parts supply stores. Connie
Clarification please. I just asked husband (who gets to do all the boat work around here, but is not a vehicle mechanic) if there is a zerk fitting on the wheel bearings. Apparently not.. You have to repack the bearings to grease them. Did you really mean to repack the bearings every time one launches in salt water?
Gail
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different sizes. One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice. Gail On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/29/2016 8:45 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Hi Gail,
Buy some "Bearing Buddies". They fit over the wheel bearing;have a grease nipple on the end. When you add grease, to the "Bearing Buddies" you build up pressure in the bearing cavity. This serves to keep water out of your wheel bearings when you launch or retrieve you boat.
The position of the "Bearing Buddies" tells you when you have to add more grease.
They are a necessity for the trailer, and are available at most auto parts supply stores.
Connie
Clarification please. I just asked husband (who gets to do all the boat
work around here, but is not a vehicle mechanic) if there is a zerk fitting on the wheel bearings. Apparently not.. You have to repack the bearings to grease them. Did you really mean to repack the bearings every time one launches in salt water?
Gail
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is
to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
On 9/29/2016 11:37 PM, Gail Russell wrote: Gail, you are correct. They come in two different sizes. Take off the bearing cap and measure the inside diameter of the bearing housing. That is the size Bearing Buddy you need. They just are tapped in place as the solid cap was, but now when filled with grease, they keep a positive pressure on the grease in the bearing housing. That means that water can't get into the bearing - the inside grease pressure is greater than the water pressure. Happy sailing, Connie
Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different sizes.
One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice.
Gail
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/29/2016 8:45 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Hi Gail,
Buy some "Bearing Buddies". They fit over the wheel bearing;have a grease nipple on the end. When you add grease, to the "Bearing Buddies" you build up pressure in the bearing cavity. This serves to keep water out of your wheel bearings when you launch or retrieve you boat.
The position of the "Bearing Buddies" tells you when you have to add more grease.
They are a necessity for the trailer, and are available at most auto parts supply stores.
Connie
Clarification please. I just asked husband (who gets to do all the boat
work around here, but is not a vehicle mechanic) if there is a zerk fitting on the wheel bearings. Apparently not.. You have to repack the bearings to grease them. Did you really mean to repack the bearings every time one launches in salt water?
Gail
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is
to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
On 9/29/2016 11:37 PM, Gail Russell wrote: Hi Gail, Go to GOOGLE -> Adwww.etrailer.com/ for a view of Bearing Buddies. I see from their website that they are also available in stainless steel; cost about $5.- more than the regular chrome plated ones. Cost about $26.- a pair in stainless steel, and your trailer bearing problems are solved forever.... Connie
Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different sizes.
One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice.
Gail
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 8:54 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/29/2016 8:45 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
Hi Gail,
Buy some "Bearing Buddies". They fit over the wheel bearing;have a grease nipple on the end. When you add grease, to the "Bearing Buddies" you build up pressure in the bearing cavity. This serves to keep water out of your wheel bearings when you launch or retrieve you boat.
The position of the "Bearing Buddies" tells you when you have to add more grease.
They are a necessity for the trailer, and are available at most auto parts supply stores.
Connie
Clarification please. I just asked husband (who gets to do all the boat
work around here, but is not a vehicle mechanic) if there is a zerk fitting on the wheel bearings. Apparently not.. You have to repack the bearings to grease them. Did you really mean to repack the bearings every time one launches in salt water?
Gail
Yes, yes, yes. Your M-17 needs protection from saltwater! Best option is
to get your hull painted with the spendy paint that is needed to protest your hull and galvanize the aluminum. It is much less expensive to pressure wash thoroughly, your trailer too, and grease the trailer wheel bearings every time you outhaul, if you plan to leave you M-17 in saltwater, outhaul it and wash it at least every month. Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
a double axle trailer for a M17 would be huge overkill. save you money, if you are worried about a double blowout, and get a second spare tire on a mount. also, i would be very surprised if you trailer doesn't already have bearing buddy's. if there is a zerk in the center of the hub you already have them. if not then you don't. DON'T overcharge them. DON'T add oil every time you launch or retrieve. you check the charge by pressing on the edge of the bearing buddy cap (the zerk is installed into the cap). if the cap wiggles when you apply pressure you have enough oil. overcharging a bearing buddy will blow the hub seals ... usually the inner seal. will spray everywhere making a mess of the wheel rim, boat hull, etc. see this for my detailed discussion about bearing buddys and hub maintenance - https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/safer-trailering-hubs/ :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote: Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different
sizes.
One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice.
Gail
Dave, Thanks for the article. Very informative. My new last year Coastline trailer came with some sort of bearing buddy set up in that it has zirk fittings on the axle ends but then the end is closed off with a threaded blue plastic cap which screws right into the end of the axle. The lettering on the cap is "RA". It looks like there is a castilated nut inside of it so the bearings must be further in than that. I will have to get back with Coastline trailer to find out how to service these as they do not match either brand of bearing mentioned in your article. Fair winds. Tom B, Monty 17, AS-IS On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
a double axle trailer for a M17 would be huge overkill. save you money, if you are worried about a double blowout, and get a second spare tire on a mount.
also, i would be very surprised if you trailer doesn't already have bearing buddy's. if there is a zerk in the center of the hub you already have them. if not then you don't.
DON'T overcharge them. DON'T add oil every time you launch or retrieve. you check the charge by pressing on the edge of the bearing buddy cap (the zerk is installed into the cap). if the cap wiggles when you apply pressure you have enough oil. overcharging a bearing buddy will blow the hub seals ... usually the inner seal. will spray everywhere making a mess of the wheel rim, boat hull, etc.
see this for my detailed discussion about bearing buddys and hub maintenance -
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/safer-trailering-hubs/
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different
sizes.
One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice.
Gail
I'm with Dave here on the tandem axles, so much so that I'm trying to find a stronger axle for my 23 and go own to one as it greatly improves maneuverability in tight spots On Friday, September 30, 2016 9:39 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: Dave, Thanks for the article. Very informative. My new last year Coastline trailer came with some sort of bearing buddy set up in that it has zirk fittings on the axle ends but then the end is closed off with a threaded blue plastic cap which screws right into the end of the axle. The lettering on the cap is "RA". It looks like there is a castilated nut inside of it so the bearings must be further in than that. I will have to get back with Coastline trailer to find out how to service these as they do not match either brand of bearing mentioned in your article. Fair winds. Tom B, Monty 17, AS-IS On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
a double axle trailer for a M17 would be huge overkill. save you money, if you are worried about a double blowout, and get a second spare tire on a mount.
also, i would be very surprised if you trailer doesn't already have bearing buddy's. if there is a zerk in the center of the hub you already have them. if not then you don't.
DON'T overcharge them. DON'T add oil every time you launch or retrieve. you check the charge by pressing on the edge of the bearing buddy cap (the zerk is installed into the cap). if the cap wiggles when you apply pressure you have enough oil. overcharging a bearing buddy will blow the hub seals ... usually the inner seal. will spray everywhere making a mess of the wheel rim, boat hull, etc.
see this for my detailed discussion about bearing buddys and hub maintenance -
https://sagemarineblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/26/safer-trailering-hubs/
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Got it. Will find some Bearing Buddies. I presume they come in different
sizes.
One more thing...did Pacific Trailers ever make a double axle trailer custom for the M-17? We had a bit of a riotous lesson in why you should change your trailer tires every three years, whether you need to or not. :) Involved my ex-husband and his wife, two blow-outs, a nice small town tire guy who stayed at work until 7 PM on a Saturday night, and a delicious small town restaurant dinner with said ex-husband and wife. And a reinforcement that, when they say to change those tires, they mean it. After that, I am thinking a bit more fail safe system with two axles would be awfully nice.
Gail
Hi Gail I have had my M-23 in salt water (Chesapeake Bay) for about a decade now. You do not need to worry about the aluminum that i have seen. Just do what you would for fresh water and maybe check your anodes more often but still like every year. I just bottom paint every year. Simple! Have fun and go sailing. Salt water is not a big deal. Cheers Robbin On 9/28/2016 9:40 PM, Gail Russell wrote:
We have thought about putting our M-17 2005 into Salt Water at Bodega Bay. What do we need to do to protect it from Salt Water. Take it out, how often (?) to pressure wash the bottom.
What about the mast. It is unpainted aluminum? Do we need to get it painted?
What else?
Gail Russell Hydeaway1 M-17
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