Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals: I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Hi Dan, I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle. A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth. To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal. It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me. Ron Casino M15, "Spirit" ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals: I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky... Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Dan, I also launch in salt water. I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. Sailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are easier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to hold onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on your foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in case. Best, Ron Casino M15, "Spirit" ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky... Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that! Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. Sailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are easier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to hold onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on your foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in case.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Dan, I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer tongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that strong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I crank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse the process for removal. Ron Casino M15, "Spirit" ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that! Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. Sailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are easier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to hold onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on your foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in case.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the extension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the far end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer tongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that strong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I crank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse the process for removal.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that!
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. Sailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are easier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to hold onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on your foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in case.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once I get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the extension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in pin in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed part of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to put the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of course we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow vehicle Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan, I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal. Ron Casino M15, "Spirit" ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that! Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Now that is interesting. If I read you right you keep the trailer connected to the tow vehicle, take the pin out of the extension, extend the extension with the tow vehicle past the hole, put in your guide pin in your new drilled hole, back the tow vehicle up until you hit the pin, and then put in the main pin? Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, eisenee@aol.com wrote:
I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once I get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the extension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in pin in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed part of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to put the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of course we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow vehicle
Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan,
I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that!
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase. Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle. A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth. To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal. It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I have to use the extension each time I go to the ramp since they are long and shallow. I greased the extension liberally with the same marine grease that I use for greasing the outboard. I disconnect the electrical wiring from the back of the pickup. Then if I have someone to help me I use the following procedure: I chalk just the rear of the trailer wheels with pieces of 4"X4".I pull the pins out and slowly drive the truck forward while my help holds the pin in the outer part of the tube and applies pressure to the pin. Because the pin is tapered it makes it fairly simple to feel the hole and push it in through the inner tube hole. Needless to say this has to be done very slowly. To push the pin all the way through just takes some wiggling back and for. If I do this by myself than I use a slightly different approach. I chalk the trailer wheels both fore and aft with pieces of 4"X4". Pull the pins and then pull foward easing out the extension. To get the approximate distance I have a piece of 1/2" dowel that is half the length of the distance that the extension has to be pulled out. I open the driverside door and put a small stone on the ground and measure the dowel (twice) and place another stone. Then, this is the fun part, I hold the dowel like a pointer a couple of inches off the ground and move the truck to the forward stone. Lock it all down and then jockey the trailer to get the pins to line up and lock in. I can usually hit it on the second pass. PS it's easier with someone else!! On occasion I have driven the truck with the extension all the way out. But you have to watch your turning circle. Then I don't have to mess with it when I get to the ramp. And boy is it easier to back up with the extension out!! Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Rich To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 2:06 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Now that is interesting. If I read you right you keep the trailer connected to the tow vehicle, take the pin out of the extension, extend the extension with the tow vehicle past the hole, put in your guide pin in your new drilled hole, back the tow vehicle up until you hit the pin, and then put in the main pin? Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, eisenee@aol.com wrote:
I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once I get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the extension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in pin in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed part of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to put the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of course we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow vehicle
Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan,
I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that!
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase. Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle. A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth. To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal. It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I had a tongue extension on a custom made trailer I had built for my Sandpiper565. It only added about 24 inches to he length and I found it hard to operate while the coupler was attached to the truck hitch. It was easier to use the tongue jack/dolly to support the weight because the outer channel iron where the coupler was mounted slipped inside a slightly larger diameter part of the tongue that attached to the rest of the trailer. (the jack /dolly was mounted on the larger outside channel) With no weight on the sliding part, it was easy to slide out & in it's 2 foot extension length and insert the clevis pin into the pre-drilled holes. An extension can be very important around home due to mostly shallow, crude launch ramps and ocean tides of about 3.5 feet. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Now that is interesting. If I read you right you keep the trailer connected to the tow vehicle, take the pin out of the extension, extend the extension with the tow vehicle past the hole, put in your guide pin in your new drilled hole, back the tow vehicle up until you hit the pin, and then put in the main pin?
Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, eisenee@aol.com wrote:
I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once I get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the extension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in pin in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed part of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to put the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of course we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow vehicle
Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan,
I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the trailer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that!
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies.
ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.**xmission.com<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy
ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can
ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the
extension on
small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.** xmission.com <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I
end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich
M#208 Kestrel
That's it. Just drill the hole in the ext right at the end of the fixed tongue tube and the trailer and vehicle need to be lined up streight Eldor -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:07 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Now that is interesting. If I read you right you keep the trailer onnected to the tow vehicle, take the pin out of the extension, extend he extension with the tow vehicle past the hole, put in your guide pin n your new drilled hole, back the tow vehicle up until you hit the pin, nd then put in the main pin? Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, eisenee@aol.com wrote: I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the xtension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in in in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed art of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to ut the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of ourse we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow ehicle Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan, I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the railer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal. Ron Casino M15, "Spirit" ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that! Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase. Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it s ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle. A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth. To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the xtension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal. It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
OK, that won't work with this trailer. It would give me only an additional 10 inches of extension, not the 8 feet I got now! Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 7:50 PM, eisenee@aol.com wrote:
That's it. Just drill the hole in the ext right at the end of the fixed tongue tube and the trailer and vehicle need to be lined up streight
Eldor
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 1:07 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Now that is interesting. If I read you right you keep the trailer onnected to the tow vehicle, take the pin out of the extension, extend he extension with the tow vehicle past the hole, put in your guide pin n your new drilled hole, back the tow vehicle up until you hit the pin, nd then put in the main pin? Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:27 AM, eisenee@aol.com wrote: I have a 10 ft extension on my Trailright trailer for a fixed keel M17. Once get the extension extended and pinned I drilled a 1/2 in hole in the xtension, now I pull the extension out farther then necessary , insert a 1/2 in in in the drilled hole and back the extension in until the pin hits the fixed art of the trailer tongue and the holes line up. With a 10 ft ext it helps to ut the tongue dolly wheel down and lub everything so it slides easier. Of ourse we NEVER take the ext all the way out and do all sliding with the tow ehicle
Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Jul 9, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yes, of course. I do that too. No, you implied that you lift the extension up and down. With the xtension extended one could very easily lift it up and down from the ar end, given the amount of leverage it affords. Daniel n 7/9/2012 10:01 AM, judy casino wrote: Dan,
I'm not sure I understand your particular situation. I do not lift the railer ongue with the extension inserted. I'm nearly 68 years old and I'm not that trong. I use the jack wheel to roll the trailer to the tow vehicle hitch. I rank the jack up so that the coupler is able to slide over the ball. I reverse he process for removal.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that!
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. ailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are asier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to old onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on our foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in ase. Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy ongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the oat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so ave not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it s ice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle. A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can ine up the holes without a lot of back and forth. To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the xtension o where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or ower it on the dolly after removal. It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I end not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems o be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that xtension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
P.S. When I said lifting and lowering, I was talking about lifting the extension itself to insert it into the trailer tongue. Also, when I referred to lowering, I meant lowering the extension itself onto the dolly after removal from the trailer tongue. Ron Casino M15, Spirit ________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:54 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension I assume you mean lifting and lowering with the extension out. With the extension in I have measured the tongue weight at the ball attachment with a bathroom scale to be 200 pounds. I can't lift that! Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, judy casino wrote:
Dan,
I also launch in salt water.
I use a little bearing grease, the same stuff I use for the bearing buddies. Sailboat winch grease also works. I grease the extension pins too, so they are easier to insert and remove.The grease makes the extension a little harder to hold onto when lifting or lowering so you need to be careful not to drop it on your foot! I use leather work gloves for the job and keep my feet apart just in case.
Best,
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Yup. That is the extension I am talking about. OK, what lubricant do you use? I typically launch in salt water, so everything gets rather funky...
Daniel On 7/9/2012 9:38 AM, judy casino wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing). all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension. the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened. for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube. :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I have some marks, so good idea. OK, just getting a sense of what folks do. Detaching the vehicle and reattaching it just adds another bit of work I try to avoid, but I think I need to do it. Just getting my vehicles too wet! D On 7/9/2012 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see. Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004 On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer? Daniel On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences). 200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat. :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat. Daniel On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel: "There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ... glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum - http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881 if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with. :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's
declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com>
wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
OK, excellent idea. Here is a link to a blog post of mine with some photos. They may not be good enough or close enough for you to tell...but if you click on the photos they come up in the browser, and then if you click again they zoom in. http://danielsailingandcycling.wordpress.com/2011/02/22/thoughts-about-cycli... Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it. Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side. i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy? :: Dave Scobie --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
I'm gonna weigh it again tonight. What I do is put a bathroom scale on a block, and then lower the end of the trailer on the scale. Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:40 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side.
i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy?
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Is that block high enough so that the trailer is sitting level as you weigh the tongue at the coupler? On Monday, July 9, 2012, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm gonna weigh it again tonight. What I do is put a bathroom scale on a block, and then lower the end of the trailer on the scale.
Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:40 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side.
i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy?
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, interesting. As an aside, does > 200 pounds at the ball mount sound > about right for this trailer? >
Yes. I have the block up so the trailer is level. I have the scale on top of the block, and a small piece of wood to protect the scale. Once everything is in place I start the scale, and lower the trailer with my wheel jack. Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Don White wrote:
Is that block high enough so that the trailer is sitting level as you weigh the tongue at the coupler?
On Monday, July 9, 2012, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm gonna weigh it again tonight. What I do is put a bathroom scale on a block, and then lower the end of the trailer on the scale.
Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:40 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side.
i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy?
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences). > 200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat. > > :: Dave Scobie > > > --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK, interesting. As an aside, does >> 200 pounds at the ball mount sound >> about right for this trailer? >>
Daniel, I squashed a perfectly nice bathroom scale in such an endeavor. Either it was made for the petite, or it needed a block on top to distribute the force. On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
I'm gonna weigh it again tonight. What I do is put a bathroom scale on a block, and then lower the end of the trailer on the scale.
Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:40 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side.
i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy?
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences).
200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: > OK, interesting. As an aside, does > 200 pounds at the ball mount sound > about right for this trailer? >
Yup, I know what you mean. Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:41 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
Daniel, I squashed a perfectly nice bathroom scale in such an endeavor. Either it was made for the petite, or it needed a block on top to distribute the force.
On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:01 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
I'm gonna weigh it again tonight. What I do is put a bathroom scale on a block, and then lower the end of the trailer on the scale.
Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 5:40 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
looking at your pictures the axle looks to be in almost the same place as on the Glessers' M15: axle is just forward forward of the cabin/cockpit bulkhead ... about where the cockpit combing blends into the cabin side.
i'm scratching my whiskered chin on why the tongue is so heavy?
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, just called Pacific. They tell me that it is very easy to do. The whole undercarriage is ubolted on. So all I have to do is loosen the bolts, move the trailer, tighten the bolts, per your instructions on your post. Or, have a trailer shop do it.
Daniel On 7/9/2012 3:01 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Daniel:
"There is no other extra weight forward in the boat." ...
glad you moved the gold bars out of the M15's bow for trailering ;-) lol
not sure exactly your trailers axle assembly design, but if it is like the other 'about' 2005 Pacific trailers you can adjust the axle's location fairly easily. i posted how to do this on the trailersailor.com M-forum -
http://bbs.trailersailor.com/forums/montgomery/index.cgi?read=3881
if you are not sure you can attach a picture of the trailer's axle-to-frame assembly to your listproc message (image must be <200K in size i believe). i can look to see if the same as the trailers i'm working with.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
I definitely cannot do that. I will go out and weigh it again tonight or tomorrow and report back. If too heavy it sounds like I would need to shift the boat back a bit on the trailer. Not sure how far or how to do that. I would have to move the bow support aft. It is a Pacific Trailer build for Bob Becker in about 2005. So, it is made for the M15. There is no other extra weight forward in the boat.
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:43 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
i can lift, with my legs, the tongue on the Glessers' new M15 trailer. the 'theoretical' weight of the tongue should be about 120# (+/- a few pounds depending on boat differences). > 200# is _way_heavy_. not sure what your trailer's declared weight is, but the one i have is 350#. the M15, dry and no personal stuff, is about 750(ish) #. tongue weight should be between 10% and 15% of trailer + boat. > > :: Dave Scobie > > > --- On Mon, 7/9/12, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote: >> OK, interesting. As an aside, does >> 200 pounds at the ball mount sound >> about right for this trailer? >>
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I've always read about 8% to 10% of the whole rigs weight. 200 pounds for an M15 tongue seems way too much. I'd guess closer to about 125 or so. When I bought my latest boat last month I stopped at a highway weigh station and first weighed the whole rig, drove to the parking area to unhitch the boat and got a second weighing for just the tow vehicle. My new boat combo weighs just over 1900 lbs and I figure the tongue weight at 178 lbs. Tows like a dream although uphills slow me down a bit. May have to get a stronger tow vehicle. On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the
extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Don, I take blanket recommendations with a grain of salt. My Nor'Sea 27 weighed more than 10,000 lbs.on the trailer, with a tongue weight of 300 lbs. If it lowered the rear end of my old 3/4 ton pickup, it was not enough to notice. My 3000 lb M17 rig has a tongue weight >350 pounds, and it lowers the rear of my 2010 4Runner several inches, but tows like a dream. Another guy with a late model 17 pulls it with a Subaru Outback, and merely moved the trailer axle forward to reduce tongue weight to 200 lbs, or thereabouts. Frankly, I don't worry about slowing down on hills a bit, unless you have an automatic transmission that cannot be locked in one gear (you don't want constant shifting). Personally, I take more time and take it easy. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Jul 9, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Don White wrote:
I've always read about 8% to 10% of the whole rigs weight. 200 pounds for an M15 tongue seems way too much. I'd guess closer to about 125 or so. When I bought my latest boat last month I stopped at a highway weigh station and first weighed the whole rig, drove to the parking area to unhitch the boat and got a second weighing for just the tow vehicle. My new boat combo weighs just over 1900 lbs and I figure the tongue weight at 178 lbs. Tows like a dream although uphills slow me down a bit. May have to get a stronger tow vehicle.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the
extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
When I picked up the new Pacific trailer the trailer guy said it was set for my, now Daniels, M15. I believed him, silly me. I knew it had a lot of tongue weight but thought it was due to it being a much heaver than the Trailrite it replaced. It seemed to tow fine but was a beast to move by hand; tire pressure makes a big difference. I wonder if a lighter trailer would work better. I think I would be cautious when changing the boat/trailer configuration and perhaps first contact Bob Egg or Pacific Trailer for their factory settings. The next time you have the boat in the water, unhook the trailer and check its balance. If that seems ok, perhaps the boat is not correctly positioned on the trailer. If the trailer needs adjusting, it should be easier to tweek the wheel positions when the boat is not on the trailer, but check the balance again with the boat on the trailer. Perhaps just moving the bow support aft will position the boat further aft on the trailer and at the same time change the trailer balance point. I had Pacific trailer cut about a foot off the tongue extension. I could not imagine needing the extra length, it seemed like less weight to drag, and it appeared the extension could be inserted too far and damage the boat. The extension must weigh 30-40 lbs a foot; no surprise it is so difficult to move. I also think the extension is a PINA and usually did not use or need it, except in Sausalito. I tried greasing the extension, but ended up getting most of the grease on me. Best results were to lower the trailer jack to take up the weight, muscle the trailer and capture the hole with an awl or screwdriver. KISS Fair Winds, Bob Becker retired M15 sailor On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Don White <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
I've always read about 8% to 10% of the whole rigs weight. 200 pounds for an M15 tongue seems way too much. I'd guess closer to about 125 or so. When I bought my latest boat last month I stopped at a highway weigh station and first weighed the whole rig, drove to the parking area to unhitch the boat and got a second weighing for just the tow vehicle. My new boat combo weighs just over 1900 lbs and I figure the tongue weight at 178 lbs. Tows like a dream although uphills slow me down a bit. May have to get a stronger tow vehicle.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the
extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Hey, glad you are still lurking the list! Must be amusing to watch me flail around in your boat! Haven't sunk her yet despite trying. OK, just weighed the tongue weight with the bathroom scale method. Worked well. 190 pounds. I actually like the trailer quite a bit, but it is a beefy one. Thanks for springing for a good one! The keel guide is particularly useful. I called Pacific Trailer today. They said that it is very easy to rebalance the boat by undoing the u bolts. I just went out there and looked. The boat is dead center on the keel guide with about 2 inches of overlap on either side, so it seems that the boat is in the right spot. So, I don't think I want to move the bow aft support. But, looking at the bolts, after most of my salt water sailing they have a bit of corrosion. You know how that would go. So, I think I will call a local trailer shop and have them do it. They should be able to loosen it and move it, and balance it. Pacific Trailer thought that would be the move. Now, regards the trailer extension, boy you sure are right. It misses the boat by about 10 inches, so that extra foot was going to be a problem. I am easily able to move it to the correct position and get the pins in, and line it up in either position while wearing gloves. I just hate having to unhook the car, move the extension, rehook the car, and do the whole thing twice for launching and retrieving. But, I think I just have to. Oh, well! It is just a tad too short for my Honda, even though I have been launching it that way! Daniel On Jul 9, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Robert Becker wrote:
When I picked up the new Pacific trailer the trailer guy said it was set for my, now Daniels, M15. I believed him, silly me. I knew it had a lot of tongue weight but thought it was due to it being a much heaver than the Trailrite it replaced. It seemed to tow fine but was a beast to move by hand; tire pressure makes a big difference. I wonder if a lighter trailer would work better.
I think I would be cautious when changing the boat/trailer configuration and perhaps first contact Bob Egg or Pacific Trailer for their factory settings. The next time you have the boat in the water, unhook the trailer and check its balance. If that seems ok, perhaps the boat is not correctly positioned on the trailer. If the trailer needs adjusting, it should be easier to tweek the wheel positions when the boat is not on the trailer, but check the balance again with the boat on the trailer. Perhaps just moving the bow support aft will position the boat further aft on the trailer and at the same time change the trailer balance point.
I had Pacific trailer cut about a foot off the tongue extension. I could not imagine needing the extra length, it seemed like less weight to drag, and it appeared the extension could be inserted too far and damage the boat. The extension must weigh 30-40 lbs a foot; no surprise it is so difficult to move.
I also think the extension is a PINA and usually did not use or need it, except in Sausalito. I tried greasing the extension, but ended up getting most of the grease on me. Best results were to lower the trailer jack to take up the weight, muscle the trailer and capture the hole with an awl or screwdriver. KISS
Fair Winds,
Bob Becker retired M15 sailor
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM, Don White <princecraft49@gmail.com> wrote:
I've always read about 8% to 10% of the whole rigs weight. 200 pounds for an M15 tongue seems way too much. I'd guess closer to about 125 or so. When I bought my latest boat last month I stopped at a highway weigh station and first weighed the whole rig, drove to the parking area to unhitch the boat and got a second weighing for just the tow vehicle. My new boat combo weighs just over 1900 lbs and I figure the tongue weight at 178 lbs. Tows like a dream although uphills slow me down a bit. May have to get a stronger tow vehicle.
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel
On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the
extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
______________________________**__ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
The rule of thumb is that the tong weight is about 10% of the trailer weight, so 200 pounds is good for an M17. GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ M17 Hydeaway 2 On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Yeah, but I sail an M15! Daniel Sent from my iPhone On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:01 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
The rule of thumb is that the tong weight is about 10% of the trailer weight, so 200 pounds is good for an M17. GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ M17 Hydeaway 2
On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Daniel, Don't worry about it. A little extra tongue weight is always better than not enough. Rik On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, but I sail an M15!
Daniel
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 11, 2012, at 2:01 PM, GARY M HYDE <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
The rule of thumb is that the tong weight is about 10% of the trailer weight, so 200 pounds is good for an M17. GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ M17 Hydeaway 2
On Jul 9, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
OK, interesting. As an aside, does 200 pounds at the ball mount sound about right for this trailer?
Daniel On 7/9/2012 2:10 PM, Tom Jenkins wrote:
I concur with Dave's observations. I can relatively easily slide the tongue in and out of the trailer when it is off the tow vehicle. Working alone, I find it too hard to get holes lined up using the tow vehicle's motive power. Since I never take the tube all the way out, and the two tube ends are flush in the full out positiion, a little plate welded on the back end of the extension tube would line them up perfectly when the extension is pulled out by vehicle or by hand. Rather than drilling another hole for a stop when I go to traveling mode, I think I will use a 2x4 guage between the surge brake housing and the mast upright. I can just slide the extension in until the wood stops it right at the hole. Should work; we shall see.
Tom Jenkins M17 Pacific trailer 2004
On Jul 9, 2012, at 9:50 AM, W David Scobie wrote:
i've had no issue adjusting the tongue or controlling the weight (if the extension stays in the receiver tube). i unhook the vehicle, un-pin the extension, walk it out, and re-pin. the reverse is true when returning the extension to 'road mode'. i am careful as i do have a bad back. the trailer is carrying the weight of the tongue ... i am just pulling (or pushing).
all my trailers are new(ish) so as Ron states check for any rust or other 'gunk' on the extension.
the other item could be the extension is slightly bent. this would be enough to make the extension bind in the receiver tube. unlikely as Pacific _really_ overbuilds the trailer ... but still could have happened.
for lining up the holes make a mark/line on the top of the extension (perm. maker of a good contrasting color) right where the receiver tube accepts the extension. one mark when 'in' and another when 'out'. this will allow you to see when the pin holes are lined up. you will need to 'refresh' the mark every know and again. don't use paint as this has 'thickness' that may cause the extension to bind in the receiver tube.
:: Dave Scobie
--- On Mon, 7/9/12, judy casino <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Dan,
I have a 2007 M15 with the Pacific trailer that contains the long, heavy tongue extension that slides into the trailer tongue. I remove it to fit the boat comfortably in the garage. I generally launch at deep-sloped ramps, and so have not had to use the extension in its extended position often. However, it is nice to know you can launch at a shallow ramp without drowning the tow vehicle.
A little lubricant makes the extension slide more easily so that you can line up the holes without a lot of back and forth.
To make attachment and detachment easier on my back, I keep the extension on a small furniture dolly with castor wheels. That allows me to roll the extension to where I need it to be. Then all I need to do is lift it for insertion or lower it on the dolly after removal.
It's not a perfect solution, but it works for me.
Ron Casino M15, "Spirit"
________________________________ From: Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 9:16 AM
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
-- "Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?" …. Thomas Sowell
Daniel, I use my Pacific Trailer extension routinely. After selecting a piece of minimally sloping terrain, setting 4 x 4 chocks and adjusting the tongue support to get smooth alignment of the extension, I'll use my legs and back to move the trailer, or in some cases I'll roll the tow vehicle. Chocks (or rocks) are essential. A sturdy 2 x 4 to use as a lever in lining up the holes has proved handy, especially if there is not a second person to help. Thanks for your info on reefing. Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:16 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Montypals: I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily?? Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Interesting thought with regards to the 2 x 4. How do you use that? Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:02 AM, Bill Dixon wrote:
Daniel,
I use my Pacific Trailer extension routinely. After selecting a piece of minimally sloping terrain, setting 4 x 4 chocks and adjusting the tongue support to get smooth alignment of the extension, I'll use my legs and back to move the trailer, or in some cases I'll roll the tow vehicle. Chocks (or rocks) are essential. A sturdy 2 x 4 to use as a lever in lining up the holes has proved handy, especially if there is not a second person to help.
Thanks for your info on reefing.
Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:16 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Dan, regarding use of the 2 x 4: Current board is actually a very old 2 x 3 but really tough with tight grain. I wedge it through part of the trailer frame and against the ground. Gives about a 3:1 mechanical advantage and which also means three inches of board movement results in only 1 inch of trailer movement. It's a nice way to fine tune the hole alignment. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bill=miralee.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bill=miralee.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:13 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Interesting thought with regards to the 2 x 4. How do you use that? Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:02 AM, Bill Dixon wrote:
Daniel,
I use my Pacific Trailer extension routinely. After selecting a piece of minimally sloping terrain, setting 4 x 4 chocks and adjusting the tongue support to get smooth alignment of the extension, I'll use my legs and back to move the trailer, or in some cases I'll roll the tow vehicle. Chocks (or rocks) are essential. A sturdy 2 x 4 to use as a lever in lining up the holes has proved handy, especially if there is not a second person to help.
Thanks for your info on reefing.
Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:16 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
Montypals:
I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
Great idea. I love this group...although I feel pretty dumb when I see such obvious and simple solutions!!! Made me think outside the box. Maybe I can use my 4:1 tackle that I use for raising the mast to pull the trailer up to the back of the truck to retract the extension. Thanks, Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Dixon To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Dan, regarding use of the 2 x 4: Current board is actually a very old 2 x 3 but really tough with tight grain. I wedge it through part of the trailer frame and against the ground. Gives about a 3:1 mechanical advantage and which also means three inches of board movement results in only 1 inch of trailer movement. It's a nice way to fine tune the hole alignment. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+bill=miralee.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+bill=miralee.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 10:13 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension Interesting thought with regards to the 2 x 4. How do you use that? Daniel On 7/9/2012 10:02 AM, Bill Dixon wrote:
Daniel,
I use my Pacific Trailer extension routinely. After selecting a piece of minimally sloping terrain, setting 4 x 4 chocks and adjusting the tongue support to get smooth alignment of the extension, I'll use my legs and back to move the trailer, or in some cases I'll roll the tow vehicle. Chocks (or rocks) are essential. A sturdy 2 x 4 to use as a lever in lining up the holes has proved handy, especially if there is not a second person to help.
Thanks for your info on reefing.
Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 9:16 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Pacific Trailer extension
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I have a newer Pacific trailer for my older M15 (Thanks, Bob Becker!). I tend not to use the trailer extension because the thing weighs a ton, and seems to be really hard to deal with. Anybody got any suggestions on how to get that extension in and out without killing myself, and lining the holes up easily??
Daniel Rich M#208 Kestrel
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