New tohatsu 5 for my Monty 17
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event. Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will :: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
Thanks,Dave. Will do. On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
i'd use the Sta-Bil & SeaFoam snakeoil mix with ethanol and non-ethanol fuels. both help to stabilize the fuel (issues with fuel aging besides water) and clean the motor's fuel system. the carburetor jets in these new motors are really really sensitive to clogging, much much more that a motor made 5, 10, 15 years ago. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
Hi Tom, Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%. Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage. :: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: Tom, This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog. Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold. This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.) In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes) Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....! Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard? Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going to be used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all times as you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This
snakeoil
mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple
of
great presentations at the old Havasu event.
Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going
to
be
used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or
two
pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all
times
as
you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) problems you will
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello All,
> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned > the
ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel
> situation
for
> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station > fuel
to
keep down the water absorption? > I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto > use
here
> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. > Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" > >
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, A thought; Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves. As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased. White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead. If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard. Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil
> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple > of great presentations at the old Havasu event. > Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going > to be > used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or > two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. > Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all > times as
> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) > problems you will > > :: Dave Scobie > On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > wrote: Hello All, >> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >> > the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel > situation for >> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >> > fuel to
> keep down the water absorption? >> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >> > use here >> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >> >>
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com > > > wrote: > > Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This > snakeoil > > mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >> >> of > great presentations at the old Havasu event.
> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >> >> to > be
> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >> >> two > pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas.
> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >> >> times > as > > you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >> problems you will >> >> :: Dave Scobie >> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: > Hello All, > >> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>> >>> the >> > ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel > >> situation >> > for > >> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>> >>> fuel >> > to > > keep down the water absorption? >> >>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>> >>> use >> > here
> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>> >>> >>>
Let us not overthink the ethanol issue. I just came back from a morning and early afternoon of sailing up on Lake Dillon. Run a Honda 2 outboard. The motor started on the first pull. After sailing around the lake, hove-to for lunch, sailing more, the motor again started on the first pull for entering the marina. It is running 91 octane with 10% ethanol gas. I add sta-bil and seafoam. The motor has run fine with this mix since it was purchased in May 2011. The motor has 79 hours as of the completion of today's sail (I keep a detailed log). Don't try running crazy stuff into your motor, besides a failure of the motor when you really need it you'll completely void the warranty and likely cause damage(s) to the motor. All outboard motors made in at least the last 10 years, and some manufacturers even longer, are designed to run on 10% ethanol. The issue is not allowing the gas in motor to go stale, or sit for an extended period. Keep the fuel tank full and treated as a noted above. If you're not going to run the motor for a while drain out the fuel tank. When my fuel gets more than a month to six weeks old it goes into the tow vehicle. many people like to run the motor dry and after each day of use. :: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:20 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in
the
winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery
lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
> everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. > t > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < > thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks,Dave. Will do. > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com >> > >> wrote: >> >> Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This >> snakeoil >> >> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >>> >>> of >> > great presentations at the old Havasu event. > >> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >>> >>> to >> > be > >> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >>> >>> two >> > pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. > >> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >>> >>> times >> as >> >> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >>> problems you will >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >> Hello All, >> >>> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>>> >>>> the >>> >> ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel >> >>> situation >>> >> for >> >>> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>>> >>>> fuel >>> >> to >> >> keep down the water absorption? >>> >>>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>>> >>>> use >>> >> here > >> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>>> >>>> >>>>
Ah, yes. Warranty issues. Sure would be a lot easier to just run premium. Thanks, Dave. On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Let us not overthink the ethanol issue.
I just came back from a morning and early afternoon of sailing up on Lake Dillon. Run a Honda 2 outboard. The motor started on the first pull. After sailing around the lake, hove-to for lunch, sailing more, the motor again started on the first pull for entering the marina. It is running 91 octane with 10% ethanol gas. I add sta-bil and seafoam. The motor has run fine with this mix since it was purchased in May 2011. The motor has 79 hours as of the completion of today's sail (I keep a detailed log).
Don't try running crazy stuff into your motor, besides a failure of the motor when you really need it you'll completely void the warranty and likely cause damage(s) to the motor.
All outboard motors made in at least the last 10 years, and some manufacturers even longer, are designed to run on 10% ethanol. The issue is not allowing the gas in motor to go stale, or sit for an extended period. Keep the fuel tank full and treated as a noted above. If you're not going to run the motor for a while drain out the fuel tank. When my fuel gets more than a month to six weeks old it goes into the tow vehicle. many people like to run the motor dry and after each day of use.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:20 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com
wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in
the
winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery
lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
> Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way > to > go. > Tom B > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available > almost > >> everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. >> t >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < >> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks,Dave. Will do. >> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This >>> snakeoil >>> >>> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >>>> >>>> of >>> >> great presentations at the old Havasu event. >> >>> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >>>> >>>> to >>> >> be >> >>> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >>>> >>>> two >>> >> pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. >> >>> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >>>> >>>> times >>> as >>> >>> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >>>> problems you will >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" < thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>>> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>> ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel >>> >>>> situation >>>> >>> for >>> >>>> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>>>> >>>>> fuel >>>> >>> to >>> >>> keep down the water absorption? >>>> >>>>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>>>> >>>>> use >>>> >>> here >> >>> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>>>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
Another fuel option- I noticed a lot of auto parts stores and hardware stores sell TruFuel, which is stabilized ethanol free gasoline in 1 liter bottles, for about $6-7 a liter. That's expensive, but for me that's about 6 months of regular use as I only use my motor for docking. They sell both 2-stroke pre-mix and 4-stroke (plain gasoline) bottles, and advertise that it is stable for two years after opening the bottle. Even with a 2-stroke outboard, you would want to buy the 4-stroke bottle and mix in TC-W3 yourself, because the 2-stroke is mixed with oil designed for a 2-stroke weed eater, and will carbon up a cold running water cooled outboard- plus it doesn't biodegrade as well as TC-W3. Tyler
Tyler, what is TC-W3? Thanks for all your info. On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Another fuel option-
I noticed a lot of auto parts stores and hardware stores sell TruFuel, which is stabilized ethanol free gasoline in 1 liter bottles, for about $6-7 a liter. That's expensive, but for me that's about 6 months of regular use as I only use my motor for docking.
They sell both 2-stroke pre-mix and 4-stroke (plain gasoline) bottles, and advertise that it is stable for two years after opening the bottle.
Even with a 2-stroke outboard, you would want to buy the 4-stroke bottle and mix in TC-W3 yourself, because the 2-stroke is mixed with oil designed for a 2-stroke weed eater, and will carbon up a cold running water cooled outboard- plus it doesn't biodegrade as well as TC-W3.
Tyler
It's 2-stroke oil only for water cooled outboards. Air cooled and water cooled engines need different oil, as they run at very different temperatures. The 2-stroke oil sold for chainsaws and weed eaters isn't safe for a water cooled outboard, and vice-versa. Tyler
On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tyler, what is TC-W3? Thanks for all your info.
Thanks, Tyler. Fair winds, Tom B On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
It's 2-stroke oil only for water cooled outboards. Air cooled and water cooled engines need different oil, as they run at very different temperatures. The 2-stroke oil sold for chainsaws and weed eaters isn't safe for a water cooled outboard, and vice-versa.
Tyler
On Sep 20, 2015, at 10:51 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tyler, what is TC-W3? Thanks for all your info.
On 9/19/2015 5:08 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Let us not overthink the ethanol issue.
I just came back from a morning and early afternoon of sailing up on Lake Dillon. Run a Honda 2 outboard. The motor started on the first pull. After sailing around the lake, hove-to for lunch, sailing more, the motor again started on the first pull for entering the marina. It is running 91 octane with 10% ethanol gas. I add sta-bil and seafoam. The motor has run fine with this mix since it was purchased in May 2011. The motor has 79 hours as of the completion of today's sail (I keep a detailed log).
Don't try running crazy stuff into your motor, besides a failure of the motor when you really need it you'll completely void the warranty and likely cause damage(s) to the motor.
All outboard motors made in at least the last 10 years, and some manufacturers even longer, are designed to run on 10% ethanol. The issue is not allowing the gas in motor to go stale, or sit for an extended period. Keep the fuel tank full and treated as a noted above. If you're not going to run the motor for a while drain out the fuel tank. When my fuel gets more than a month to six weeks old it goes into the tow vehicle. many people like to run the motor dry and after each day of use.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:20 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery
lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Tom,
> Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way > to > go. > Tom B > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available > almost > >> everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. >> t >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < >> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks,Dave. Will do. >> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie < scoobscobie@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This >>> snakeoil >>> >>> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >>>> of >> great presentations at the old Havasu event. >> >>> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >>>> to >> be >> >>> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >>>> two >> pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. >> >>> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >>>> times >>> as >>> >>> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >>>> problems you will >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>> Hello All, >>> >>>> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>>>> the >>> ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel >>> >>>> situation >>>> >>> for >>> >>>> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>>>> fuel >>> to >>> >>> keep down the water absorption? >>>>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>>>> >>>>> use >>> here >>> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>>>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
On 9/19/2015 4:20 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, Try going to Coleman via Google, and see if you can ask them that question. If it was just gasoline without additives, then their answer should be Yes. .... and you already own a season's supply. Connie
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
> everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run. > t > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < > thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Thanks,Dave. Will do. > >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This >> snakeoil >> >> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >>> of > great presentations at the old Havasu event. > >> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >>> to > be > >> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >>> two > pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. > >> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >>> times >> as >> >> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >>> problems you will >>> >>> :: Dave Scobie >>> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >> Hello All, >> >>> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>>> the >> ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel >> >>> situation >>> >> for >> >>> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>>> fuel >> to >> >> keep down the water absorption? >>>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>>> >>>> use >> here >> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>>> >>>> >>>>
Hi Connie, I am curious about that. I will look Coleman up and try to find out. Probably the person with the information retired 30 years ago.lol. Tom B On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 7:47 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 4:20 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
Try going to Coleman via Google, and see if you can ask them that question.
If it was just gasoline without additives, then their answer should be Yes. .... and you already own a season's supply.
Connie
Hi Connie, Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I remember "white gas" being used in Coleman Lanterns and I have a couple of gallons of it still sitting in my shed. I wonder if it really would run in my outboard? It seems rather more viscous than gasoline. I have traced down some Seafoam and fuel additive. The outlet for marine gas turns out to be 45 miles away and some of the reviews say the gas tanks at this marina are sometimes fouled with sediment. Not a good sign. Regard, Tom
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Tom,
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus
Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol,
E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the > way > to > go. > Tom B > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available > almost > > everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long >> run. >> t >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi < >> thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Thanks,Dave. Will do. >> >> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie < >>> scoobscobie@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>> Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This >>> snakeoil >>> >>> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >>> >>>> of >>>> >>> great presentations at the old Havasu event. >> >> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going >>> >>>> to >>>> >>> be >> >> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or >>> >>>> two >>>> >>> pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. >> >> Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all >>> >>>> times >>>> >>> as >>> >>> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) >>> >>>> problems you will >>>> >>>> :: Dave Scobie >>>> On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>> ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel >>> >>> situation >>>> >>>> for >>> >>> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >>>> >>>>> fuel >>>>> >>>> to >>> >>> keep down the water absorption? >>> >>>> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >>>>> >>>>> use >>>>> >>>> here >>> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >>> >>>> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
I just tried an android application called "Pure Gas" and 9 locations came up within 10 mile of my location. Not sure how honest these stations are in making these offers but I know the stuff is out there and a lot of customers are looking for it for their boats and other power equipment. John -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 19, 2015 4:48 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: New tohatsu 5 for my Monty 17 On 9/19/2015 12:29 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Tom, A thought; Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves. As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased. White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead. If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard. Connie
That is all very discouraging, Connie. I found a station in Corpus Christi I will try out via the publilshed list by Tyler on this site. Failing that I will try the fuel stabilizer and Seafoam. Tom B
On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 8:08 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 9/19/2015 6:56 AM, Dave Scobie wrote:
Tom,
This
all started when politicians first decreed that_all gasoline_ in the
winter should contain 10% ethanol to reduce smog.
Their next step, to gain votes in the corn belt and to get reelected, was to make the 10% mandatory, all year round, _in all grades of gasoline_ sold.
This has caused all sorts of problems. Ethanol (alcohol) is hygroscopic, i.e., it absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. It also ate all sorts of hoses and seals that hadn't been made for ethanol (all older machinery - lawn mower, trimmer, outboards, etc.)
In former times, Washington politicians were smarter types, and preferred to drink their ethanol in the form of bourbon. Their more modern successors are diluting an excellent fuel (gasoline) with ethanol, which has about 1/3rd fewer Btus per unit volume. (it's good for them because you have to use more fuel diluted with ethanol, which means more gasoline taxes)
Now they want to increase the ethanol content to 85%.....!
Why doesn't some company produce a nice little diesel powered outboard?
Connie
Unless noted all gas sold has ethanol, usually 10%.
Be careful not to use any gasoline containing more than 10% ethanol, E15, into your motor. This will cause damage.
:: Dave Scobie On Sep 19, 2015 3:47 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
Are all premium gasolines non-alcoholic? If so that sounds like the way to go. Tom B
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
Or what the heck, buy non-ethanol premium and run that. Available almost
everywhere and probably less expensive than additives in the long run.
t
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Thomas Buzzi
<thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks,Dave. Will do.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Use a mix of Sta-Bil and Seafoam. Mix in each as directed. This snakeoil
> mix for fuel recommended by the Outboard Doctor ... he did a couple >
of great presentations at the old Havasu event.
> Drain tank and run motor dry at end of season, or if motor not going > to
be
> used for more than a month or two. If fuel is older than a month or > two pour it into the tow vehicle and get fresh gas. > Keep the fuel in the motor, external, tank as close to full at all > times as
> you can. The more air in the tank the more condensation (ie, water) > problems you will > > :: Dave Scobie > On Sep 18, 2015 10:20 AM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> > wrote: Hello All, >> I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned >> > the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel > situation for >> this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station >> > fuel to
> keep down the water absorption? >> I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto >> > use here >> abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. >> Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS" >> >>
There is still a product sold as "white gas" but it's something different than it used to be, and is no longer safe for engines. The "white gas" currently sold at camping stores (usually Coleman camp fuel) is naphtha (lighter fluid). It is similar to gasoline, but very low octane and will destroy a gasoline engine with pre-detonation. Tyler
On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
On 9/19/2015 7:28 PM, Tyler Backman wrote: Tyler, Thanks for the "Heads-up" on white gas. Connie
There is still a product sold as "white gas" but it's something different than it used to be, and is no longer safe for engines.
The "white gas" currently sold at camping stores (usually Coleman camp fuel) is naphtha (lighter fluid). It is similar to gasoline, but very low octane and will destroy a gasoline engine with pre-detonation.
Tyler
On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
Thanks, Tyler. On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
There is still a product sold as "white gas" but it's something different than it used to be, and is no longer safe for engines.
The "white gas" currently sold at camping stores (usually Coleman camp fuel) is naphtha (lighter fluid). It is similar to gasoline, but very low octane and will destroy a gasoline engine with pre-detonation.
Tyler
On Sep 19, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
A thought;
Years ago there was a product called "white gasoline" that was sold for use in Coleman lanterns and stoves.
As I recall, normal automobile gasoline in those days had tetra ethyl lead added to improve the octane rating and prevent detonation in the cylinders, as engine compression ratios and HP increased.
White gasoline was straight gasoline without the tetra ethyl lead.
If that is still available, it might be a solution to ethanol-free gasoline for your outboard.
Connie
Ethanol free gasoline is rare nowadays- the website pure-gas.org lists ethanol free gas stations, but there aren't any within a large radius of where I live. If your local small plane airport will sell you gas in a can, avgas and mogas are ethanol free gasolines sold for small air cooled airplane engines. Newer outboards run fine on ethanol as long as it's kept in a sealed container so it can't absorb moisture from the air. Older outboards will often experience rubber failures on ethanol. I have had good luck running vintage 2-stroke outboards on 10% ethanol fuel, after replacing every seal, line, and rubber part in the fuel system with new parts, which are now formulated to be ethanol tolerant... and always storing the gasoline in my garage, in an airtight container, with fuel stabilizer. On a small gravity fed outboard this "ethanol conversion" is likely as simple as replacing the fuel line, fuel shutoff valve, and possibly fuel filler cap seal. External tank motors will need a new fuel pump as well. Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
thanks for the list, Tyler. There is one in Corpus Christi, about 35 miles from me. Tom B On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Ethanol free gasoline is rare nowadays- the website pure-gas.org lists ethanol free gas stations, but there aren't any within a large radius of where I live.
If your local small plane airport will sell you gas in a can, avgas and mogas are ethanol free gasolines sold for small air cooled airplane engines.
Newer outboards run fine on ethanol as long as it's kept in a sealed container so it can't absorb moisture from the air. Older outboards will often experience rubber failures on ethanol.
I have had good luck running vintage 2-stroke outboards on 10% ethanol fuel, after replacing every seal, line, and rubber part in the fuel system with new parts, which are now formulated to be ethanol tolerant... and always storing the gasoline in my garage, in an airtight container, with fuel stabilizer.
On a small gravity fed outboard this "ethanol conversion" is likely as simple as replacing the fuel line, fuel shutoff valve, and possibly fuel filler cap seal. External tank motors will need a new fuel pump as well.
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
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