Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜) Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Hi Rusty, As an old big boat sailor, before I got smart and downsized to an M15, I have done a lot of dinghy swapping to find the best solution. My first dinghy was a 9' dinghy, with dagger board and a sail, that I towed from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways; also used that dinghy when we sold the powerboat we had bought for the French inland waterways, and bought a sailboat again. This time we towed it from the Ijsselmeer in Holland down the English Channel to Le Havre and then back up the Seine to Paris. This dingy came back to the USA several years later and then explored New England waters. ....but: It was heavy. It had to be towed. I tried putting it on the foredeck of our 29-footer, but that wasn't a solution that was practical. So, I bought an AVON inflatable from a neighbor. The thought was it could be stowed in the forepeak on longer passages, and then inflated when we needed it. ...but: pumping it up in the cockpit was a nuisance; took a long time and a lot of energy; the rowing position was terrible; and trying to row it, loaded with two adults and two children against a headwind with the itty-bitty oars AVON gave you was impossible. The AVON only worked using an outboard, ....but what if the outboard doesn't want to start....? .....and the wind is blowing? .... and you have to row upwind to get back to the boat that is on a mooring half a mile away? The AVON was a disaster, and I sold it as fast as possible. Then I bought an old decrepit 7' - 9" Dyer low freeboard dinghy. After rebuilding it,this was a dinghy that worked. It rowed well, but.... It worked with one person aboard; still was workable with two on board; but with the children as well, the low freeboard meant it could only be used in a flat calm. If a powerboat left a wake, water came aboard. So, the low freeboard Dyer was nice, but not seaworthy. I needed the regular freeboard model. I bought a new one with sails. A delightful dinghy that fulfilled all requirements, including rowing out a second anchor into the wind at 2 AM .... It was sold with our sailboat when we downsized. The first time we went sailing in Maine with our M15, there were no marinas, and dock space was used by the lobster fishermen. Moorings were available;but on that first trip we didn't have a dinghy. So,for the M15, and our new extended cruising grounds, that winter I built a stitch-and-glue Bolger designed NYMPH. It was light weight; easy to put on the roof rack of the car; and was great fun to row for longer distances, mornings before the wind came to work. It was easy to tow behind the M15. The one minor drawback it had was that it was tender when you first got aboard. After you sat down all was well. Bolger modified the NYMPH to solve that "slight" problem by widening the beam by 12", creating the RUBEN NYMPH. I never tried one, but that may be the best solution. It carried my wife and myself; beer; water; groceries; fuel, ..... a dependable and excellent dinghy. See photos on Google -> "Bolger NYMPH" Happy sailing, Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ex Tripp-Lentsch 29 FUN TOO (26 years) ex Northeast 38 RHE On 11/29/2018 7:57 PM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote:
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO -----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜) Rusty www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Hi Gary, I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again. For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened. I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat. In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots. Connie On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones. The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce. Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender Hi Gary, I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again. For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened. I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat. In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots. Connie On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes. The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies? I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp? Curious to hear others tender tales! Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes. The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies? I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp? Curious to hear others tender tales! Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I used a 15' 6" Bolger Light Dory behind my M15 for a 2 week cruise in Maine and for some shorter cruises on the Cheasapeake Bay. It actually worked quite well. I used a floating poly line for towing with a 7 inch funnel about four feet in front of the Dory. A stopper knot on both sides of the funnel so when under tow the skinny part pointed in the direction of travel. When the Dory started surfing and catching up with the M15 the tow line would go slack and the funnel would invert so the wide mouth was in the direction of travel. In 18 kt following seas the Dory was held up by the funnel and did not broach. We got a lot of use out of it in Maine. Thanks Doug Kelch Former M15 "Seas the Day" On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:23 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes.
The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies?
I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp?
Curious to hear others tender tales!
Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I’m loving this list- I never would have thought of a funnel on the painter on my own, but it makes perfect sense! On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:39 PM Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I used a 15' 6" Bolger Light Dory behind my M15 for a 2 week cruise in Maine and for some shorter cruises on the Cheasapeake Bay. It actually worked quite well. I used a floating poly line for towing with a 7 inch funnel about four feet in front of the Dory. A stopper knot on both sides of the funnel so when under tow the skinny part pointed in the direction of travel. When the Dory started surfing and catching up with the M15 the tow line would go slack and the funnel would invert so the wide mouth was in the direction of travel. In 18 kt following seas the Dory was held up by the funnel and did not broach.
We got a lot of use out of it in Maine.
Thanks
Doug Kelch Former M15 "Seas the Day"
On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:23 PM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes.
The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies?
I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp?
Curious to hear others tender tales!
Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I use an inflatable two person kayak, a good one, already inflated and towed behind. Its beamy enough to never flip but if the wind or seas get too crazy I bring it right up to the back of the M15 and lift the bow out of the water so it stays stable. Having a stout transom ladder makes it easy to get into and out of.
On Nov 30, 2018, at 3:22 PM, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes.
The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies?
I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp?
Curious to hear others tender tales!
Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I use a old school Stearns inflatable Kayak as my tender. It is fairly rugged, tracks reasonably well in coastal waters in light weather or sheltered water. It weighs 26 lbs & folds up into a storage bag that fits out of the way down the side of one of my quarter births out of sight &mind until I need it.. I have a manual canister pump that does the job inflating it in just a couple of minutes. Once I bring it out and pump it up, I just tow it behind like a hard shell, until I return home or have another reason to stow it. I find it to be a pretty good solution for boats our size... There is a picture of it here on Serenity's MPhoto page: https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/General/imageviewer.php?objectid=105&o... Keith *Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Burnaby, BC* *Serenity M17, #353* On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 15:23, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes.
The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies?
I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp?
Curious to hear others tender tales!
Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Doug Kelch, fantastic idea with the funnel. I'll have to try that on my kayak. Another technique, that Jerry alluded to, is adjusting the length of the painter - or tow line if you will - so that the dinghy is always "climbing" up the back of one of your stern waves. That keeps the dinghy in line and well behaved. The line will have to be adjusted in and out depending on your speed as that affects the placement of your stern waves. Unfortunately, in following seas that doesn't work and in the past I've had to bring the kayak right up close under one of the stern cleats to keep it from surfing from side to side and occasionally coming up and banging the transom. Doug's idea with the funnel may be just the ticket to keep that from happening. Larry Yake M17 CornDog On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 4:11 PM Keith R. Martin < keith.richard.martin@gmail.com> wrote:
I use a old school Stearns inflatable Kayak as my tender. It is fairly rugged, tracks reasonably well in coastal waters in light weather or sheltered water. It weighs 26 lbs & folds up into a storage bag that fits out of the way down the side of one of my quarter births out of sight &mind until I need it.. I have a manual canister pump that does the job inflating it in just a couple of minutes. Once I bring it out and pump it up, I just tow it behind like a hard shell, until I return home or have another reason to stow it. I find it to be a pretty good solution for boats our size...
There is a picture of it here on Serenity's MPhoto page:
https://www.msogphotosite.com/Scripts/General/imageviewer.php?objectid=105&o...
Keith
*Keith R. Martin, P.Eng*. *Burnaby, BC*
*Serenity M17, #353*
On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 at 15:23, Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:22 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender To: Gary Oberbeck <gilasailr@aol.com>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Hmm- I’m not a big fan of inflatables, but for a boat the size of an m15 a good canoe paddle can serve as emergency propulsion in the situation Connie describes.
The better of the inflatable paddle boards now about might be surprisingly effective as a tender in many cases (even if used sitting or kneeling) and be smaller when deflated and quicker to inflate... the wide recreational ones do surprisingly well w two adults. Maybe with a dry bag or plastic bin to transport gear n supplies?
I laugh at the idea of my 15’ cruiser towing my 13.5’ sailing canoe (Ougtred’s McGregor design) but I may just have to try it. Anyone have experience towing a long skinny boat like that? Or is it just asking to trip up on waves and swamp?
Curious to hear others tender tales!
Alex On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 3:08 PM Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Gary, I just wish that I could take up your "have fun" and "Go Sailing". I can still do the "Have Fun" part, but at my age I'm sad to say my sailing days are over. Had a lot of fun sailing though, saw a lot of blue water in Europe, from the Baltic to the Med, and later along the New England coast; the Florida Keys, Chesapeake Bay, and great M15 sailing areas like Moosehead Lake, ME and Lake Champlain, NY. Going through the Kiel Canal in North Germany in our Northeast 38, ( we cruised the Danish islands for 5 weeks) I was the 38 foot slice of ham between all the BIG Boys! Tankers, freighters, cruise ships, container ships.... Solid lines of big ships going in each direction. You are the last to enter the lock and you fit into the gaps the big ones have left for you. Ciao, Connie On 11/30/2018 5:08 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Connie, If you and I are ever in close proximity - I would be honored to get you on a boat. It is a personal mission of mine to keep all of us sailing as LOOONG as we can and always have one more day out on the water! Where are you residing now? I'm saying, if I have access to a boat I would love to get you out on the water! Part of a 'what goes around, comes around' -'do it so someone may do it for you' thing. My Father-in-law sailed until the last days of his life and I want to do the same - with a little help from my friends! I'd be honored to sail with you. Don't let me get too close, or else we are going sailing!! (bring it on mate) In all seriousness, the offer stands - we are part of a club. Offer stands.Take Care, Have lotsa fUn, come sailing! GO PS - my boat, located in the Phoenix area is available (don't come in the summer please!) - walk down a short gangway and step aboard into a large cockpit and the helm is yours - so come on out to Phoenix/Scottsdale/Carefree Arizona for a nice visit or if I can travel thru/to your neck of the woods I'll get us a ride! -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender Gary, I just wish that I could take up your "have fun" and "Go Sailing". I can still do the "Have Fun" part, but at my age I'm sad to say my sailing days are over. Had a lot of fun sailing though, saw a lot of blue water in Europe, from the Baltic to the Med, and later along the New England coast; the Florida Keys, Chesapeake Bay, and great M15 sailing areas like Moosehead Lake, ME and Lake Champlain, NY. Going through the Kiel Canal in North Germany in our Northeast 38, ( we cruised the Danish islands for 5 weeks) I was the 38 foot slice of ham between all the BIG Boys! Tankers, freighters, cruise ships, container ships.... Solid lines of big ships going in each direction. You are the last to enter the lock and you fit into the gaps the big ones have left for you. Ciao, Connie On 11/30/2018 5:08 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
Hi Gary, Thanks for your kind words and for the invitation to go sailing with you. Is your gangway wide enough to accept my Rollator? We moved from Connecticut to Dallas, Texas in 2013 to be closer to our daughter and son-in-law. Last summer she arranged an afternoon sail on a big catamaran, with several rows of seats; room to park Katrina's wheelchair and my Rollator, on local Dallas lake. It was a fun outing: A) my first experience with a catamaran, and B) my first chance to see a roller furling genoa and a furling mainsail in use. -------------------------------- Re: our dinghy discussion. Sailing continually involves solving specific problems; boat problems; sail handling problems; docking / anchoring problems; navigation problems; weather problems; on board living problems; and the list goes on ..... depending on where and how you use your vessel. They cause a lot of head-scratching, and challenge you till you find a solution that works. Your sailing area has a big influence on the kinds of problems you have to solve. If you sail on a relatively small lake and have a dock, you may never drop an anchor; but if the lake is large, and you sail a few miles, maybe you want to anchor and spend the night in a cove. Ah, anchoring! Now you are into a totally new art form. What kid of a bottom do you have where you want to anchor; sand, soft mud, lots of weed, rocky, dead trees, abandoned cars and trash? These all present different requirements and call for anchoring skills that you mostly have to learn the hard way... with a dragging anchor; or an anchor that's hung up in some debris on the bottom. How do you retrieve your anchor? Dinghies are a whole new subject. Someone mentioned using a paddle board as a dinghy. I guess that that works, but if you have a brown paper bag filled with groceries; are heading out to your M15 and a PWC screams by; how do you keep water off your brown paper bag? Maybe the bag only got wet from the water from your feet as you got aboard, but then at your boat, you pick it up and everything falls out of the wet bottom and into the water. Suppose you are going out for dinner, and are dressed accordingly. Will a paddle board work, or would a hard dinghy be a better choice? At Newport, RI we used to go into Brenton Cove and anchor. Then all four of us would get into the Dyer dinghy and head for the dinghy dock in downtown Newport. Well my First Mate, who sat in the bow, wearing her good clothes, occasionally got her back soaked with sea water caused by the wake of a passing powerboat. She hated going to a restaurant and sitting at dinner with a wet back. My First Mate impressed on me that a solution for this problem was urgently needed. I designed and constructed a "baby-carriage" type hood, made out of PVC pipe bent to the shape of the Dyer dinghy bow, with a hinge fitting at each end; a sailcloth hood and some bungee cords, allowing it to be in the UP or DOWN position. Now the First Mate could wear her Newport go-to-town clothes, and her back stayed dry. Peace on board /*FUN TOO*/ returned again. Happy sailing, Connie On 11/30/2018 7:44 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Connie, If you and I are ever in close proximity - I would be honored to get you on a boat. It is a personal mission of mine to keep all of us sailing as LOOONG as we can and always have one more day out on the water! Where are you residing now? I'm saying, if I have access to a boat I would love to get you out on the water! Part of a 'what goes around, comes around' -'do it so someone may do it for you' thing. My Father-in-law sailed until the last days of his life and I want to do the same - with a little help from my friends! I'd be honored to sail with you. Don't let me get too close, or else we are going sailing!! (bring it on mate) In all seriousness, the offer stands - we are part of a club. Offer stands.Take Care, Have lotsa fUn, come sailing! GO PS - my boat, located in the Phoenix area is available (don't come in the summer please!) - walk down a short gangway and step aboard into a large cockpit and the helm is yours - so come on out to Phoenix/Scottsdale/Carefree Arizona for a nice visit or if I can travel thru/to your neck of the woods I'll get us a ride!
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 4:30 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Gary, I just wish that I could take up your "have fun" and "Go Sailing".
I can still do the "Have Fun" part, but at my age I'm sad to say my sailing days are over.
Had a lot of fun sailing though, saw a lot of blue water in Europe, from the Baltic to the Med, and later along the New England coast; the Florida Keys, Chesapeake Bay, and great M15 sailing areas like Moosehead Lake, ME and Lake Champlain, NY. Going through the Kiel Canal in North Germany in our Northeast 38, ( we cruised the Danish islands for 5 weeks) I was the 38 foot slice of ham between all the BIG Boys! Tankers, freighters, cruise ships, container ships.... Solid lines of big ships going in each direction. You are the last to enter the lock and you fit into the gaps the big ones have left for you.
Ciao,
Connie
On 11/30/2018 5:08 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones.
The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce.
Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO
-----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender
Hi Gary,
I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency.
My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....?
I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again.
For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened.
I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat.
In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots.
Connie
On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
This might bore some, but you can always print it out and use it to wallpaper the bathroom. I have some experience in towing long, narrow boats; our canoe/kayak racing club used to hold a big race at lake Tahoe, which is usually fairly calm but every few years would kick up during the race an a few would have to be rescued. We always had a couple of chase boats on the job, and when we spotted a capsized canoe (mostly USCA marathon canoes, which are narrow, especially in the ends), we would take the paddler aboard, dump the water out of the canoe, and tow it in. The key to towing it in waves was to take care in the length of the painter, and of course the speed, which would normally be just sub-planing. The canoe, with no paddler would be very light (sub 30 lbs) and was very buoyant. I think a 15' sailing canoe, which is pretty stable compared to a racing canoe, would not be a problem behind a sailboat unless it was really rough. I've towed dinghies quite a few times behind an M-17, both from Newport Beach to Catalina and in Mexico. Again, one of the keys is the length of the painter. The 5-8 and 6-8 prams were noticably better than the larger stem dingies, and with both it was important to attach the tow line as low as possible at the bow of the dinghy. On the nearly 4K dinghies we made, we put the painter hole as low as we could. With the M-15, if Wifie was with me, I would nose up to the beach and let her out, then back off a bit and anchor. No need for a dinghy in those waters. I'd swim in; the water in the Gulf most of the year is cow-pee warm. I usually went with a group of boats from Tucson, and normally we would go to the beach only for a fishfeed , or for some hiking during the day. I once hiked across Tiberon isl from Las Cruses Bay to Dog Bay, hoping the Seri Indians would not catch and eat me. What a stud! Once, when I took a 15, we used the 15 for the shore boat and we had at one time 12 people aboard. We had to plug up the cockpit drain to keep from flooding the cockpit (obviously, in order to figure that one out we were totally sober). A good time was had by all. Obviously. -----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 3:08 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender Connie I agree on the aspect of the dinghy availability and on the emergency and everyday use of an inflatable - PIA ! ' just a minute while I pump 400+ liters into this big condom ----errrr where's the dam* pump!?!?!' The issue on the M-15 is of course storage or a small boat towing any size dinghy, Larry Yake has used a rigid kayak and others seem to have good experience with inflatables. I am lucky and sail a M-17 with a M 7-11 (getting refurbbed for the grandkids) if and when I need a dinghy - pretty good rowing boat, stable, good sailer and perfect for teaching the young ones. The only inflatable I have ever had fun with was a Zodiac Grand Raid 15+ foot with a tiller steer 40hp Evinrude - my father saw them at a trade show and took on the line - got the GR for himself as a demo and we kept it inflated on a custom trailer indoors - 2nd fastest acceleration I have ever experienced on water! We used to chase the blown V8 flat bottoms around and absolutely humble them with our 'machinery grey weiner boat' ! The bikini clad ladies loved it! One day I'll tell you how I got THE perfect set of oars for the 7-11 - great story! 7' Shaw & Tenney's in spruce. Keep your helpful comments and experiences coming to the list - we all look forward to them! Take Care, Have fUn, Go sailing! GO -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 1:42 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tender Hi Gary, I am totally against anything that is inflatable - or that has to be inflated first before it can be used in a case of emergency. My experience: We were going from Rotterdam to Paris via inland waterways. Our Norwegian power boat was brand new. In the Dutch canal we were in, with a bow to stern stream of loaded barges going in both directions our boat suddenly stopped moving and ended up crosswise in the canal blocking traffic in both directions. Our diesel engine was running but the propeller wasn't turning. Now what.....? I jumped into my hard 9' Dutch dinghy, tied a painter to the motor boat got out the dinghy's oars and rowed like mad to get to the side of the canal and let traffic flow again. For my prompt action in getting the commercial traffic moving , I received some friendly toots from the barge Captains that had seen what had happened. I called the SABB engine dealer in Rotterdam and explained the problem. An hour later he was there; toolbox in hand; inspected the engine and found that a set screw had loosened disconnecting the propeller shaft from the engine. After tightening the set screw, and safety-wiring it in place, we continued on our trip with nary a problem during the time we owned the boat. In such a situation do you really want to inflate your dinghy before it can be used? I don't. I want a hard dinghy that is instantly usable if I loose something overboard; or to row out a second anchor at 2 AM when it is blowing 20 knots. Connie On 11/30/2018 1:19 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats wrote:
I would look for a clean used M-5-8* . Had one we used way back in the day - oars and a 2 horse -(2 hp not my idea). You are cruising right?? {;>) *titanium hens teeth are about as plentiful! Some boats use inflatable kayaks with good reports. Take Care, Have fUn, Go Sailing! Come on down to Lake Pleasant in Feb. - there is a fleet of 15's scheduled to show up!GO
-----Original Message----- From: Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: M_Boats: Tender
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
I have an M17 but I will claim this reply is relevant anyhow...:-) Mainly because what I am going to be using (see below) is also used by at least one Potter 15 owner, who stows it in the cabin while under way, and that cabin is a fair bit smaller than an M15 cabin. I'm building a slightly modified version of the Origami folding dinghy: http://woodenwidget.com/origami.htm Modified in that I'm basing it on the 6 ft. version but adding about half a foot - a bit more at the midline - thus making the bow a bit more vee-shaped, less blunt, which also involves changing the shape of the bow stem piece to match the sides. Some of the angles of side pieces vs bow and stern stems will be adjusted slightly so the fabric can be smooth rather than wrinkled at bow and stern. I actually like the lines and ease of the fold/collapse system of the Fliptail better: http://woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm ...but it is bulkier (11" thicker when folded mainly), and, the designer tells me the Origami is a bit better for rowing/motoring (the Fliptail a bit better for the optional sail rig). Here's a Duckworks article by the guy who used an Origami 6 with his Potter 15: http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/07/projects/origami3/index.htm My slightly larger "6-plus" version will stash on one side of the V-berth in my M17. The M15 V-berth is a few inches longer even (though the companionway a bit smaller...but still bigger than a Potter 15 I think). It could also stash on the settee in an M17. I went around and around on tender/dinghy ideas for a long time and looked at a lot of options, including hardshell and inflatables. I've had experience with low end (Tahiti) and high end (Aire tandem) inflatable kayaks, and with Walker Bay dinghies, and one ride in an M-7-11 no less. So far the clever folding designs of Origami or Fliptail is the coolest option I've found. Collapses and sets up quick. Packs quite small and light for its load capacity. Stows on board, don't have to tow. And I can put my Honda 2.3hp auxiliary on it if I really want to zip around fast...! If I were going with a hardshell, I'd probably go with a Portage Pram (the modern version, kit or plans built): http://www.duckworksbbs.com/category-s/463.htm Or possibly the CLC Eastport ultralight: https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/rowboats/dinghies/eastport-ultralight-di... ...but the Portage Pram seems just a bit more of everything for the size and weight. I'll report on the Origami in late spring/early summer when I get it finished and do some sea (well, lake to start with) trials. cheers, John On 11/29/2018 05:57 PM, Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats wrote:
Just curious what the M-15 sailors here are using for a tender. In Puget Sound your really need one because anchorages are rugged and rocky and beaching is a challenge or impossible. Please share your thoughts, experiences, opinions, etc. M-17’s need not apply! (Unless you also have an M-15. 😜)
Rusty
www.rustyknorr.weebly.com
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