And I agree with Rik. Thomas Howe -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 9:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters You're not alone Sean. Rik On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 10:38 PM, <Nebwest2@aol.com> wrote:

I'm sorry, but I gotta say, and this is just my opinion....the lack of subtleness of the Sage plug above is a little bothersome. C'mon guys. It's growing tiresome. The gentleman came to a Montgomery forum, looking for information on a Montgomery boat, not a "Jerry design", "wrinkle boat" or whatever other generic term we want to use to try to include the Sages on the Monty forums. Sage has a forum. I go there and enjoy it. You have a great boat in the Sage 17 no doubt. I only speak for myself and I may be totally alone on this one, but Sage being injected in my face nonstop every time a question is asked on a Montgomery forum is wearing thin and to me does not demonstrate the "integrity" that Sage touts as their motto ("Integrity is being good even when no-one is looking). I realize that yes Dave and Sal both have Mboats and the offer was there to show the Mboat as well, but we somehow conveniently switched the term Montgomery for "Jerry Montgomery Design" a marketing tactic of late that allows the injection of Sage into a conversation that is about Montgomerys, and also threw the offer to show the Sage in there for good measure. I'm not taking sides here between Montgomery and Sage, but I suspect if the owner of a competing boat company did that on the Sage forum it would not be looked at favorably. Poor form.

My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch. I know that this viewpoint won't be viewed favorably by all and that's OK, but I refuse to continue see it to happen and just act like either I don't understand what is taking place, or that I don't care. Neither is the case.

I'm sure some will disagree with me. Maybe I am "off" here on this perception and it is just a random occurrence of Sage Marine marketing on Montgomery forums once in a while. If I am I apologize but I don't feel that this is the case and I get less enjoyment out of the forum every time it happens. If It's just me, then OK...maybe I should be moving along.

Sorry for the "downer".

For what it's worth.

Sean

-- "Since this is an era when many people are concerned about 'fairness' and 'social justice,' what is your 'fair share' of what someone else has worked for?" .. Thomas Sowell

Go here to see the Hess designs by year: http://sailboatdata.com/view_designer.asp?designer_id=5 According to this information, Hess designed the 12, the 17, the 17 FD, and the 23. I'm sure jerry participated in the process, so it's fair to say his input was critical. I also believe Hess had most to do with the design of the hulls, and jerry (Dog bless him for the 23 housetop) called the shots on the topsides and the rigs. He'll chime in, I'm sure. t On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:

I thought it was just me.  But I tend to agree.  Until the Sage entered the scene I never saw the phrase "Jerry Montgomery designed" boats.  As a matter of clarification, didn't Lyle Hess design the M17 ? At least that's what I read and was told earlier at the Lyle Hess Rendevous in Solomons Island back about 7 or 8 years ago. And then Jerry designed the 15? Joe SeaFrog M17

  ----- Original Message -----  From: Nebwest2@aol.com  To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com  Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 11:38 PM  Subject: Re: M_Boats: New list member - looking for Montgomery encounters

 I'm sorry, but I gotta say, and this is just my opinion....the lack of  subtleness of the Sage plug above is a little bothersome. C'mon guys. It's  growing tiresome. The gentleman came to a Montgomery forum, looking for  information on a Montgomery boat, not a "Jerry design", "wrinkle boat" or  whatever other generic term we want to use to try to include the Sages on the  Monty forums.  Sage has a forum. I go there and enjoy it. You have a great  boat  in the Sage 17 no doubt. I only speak for myself and I may be totally alone   on this one, but Sage being injected in my face nonstop every time a  question is  asked on a Montgomery forum is wearing thin and to me does not  demonstrate the  "integrity" that Sage touts as their motto  ("Integrity is being  good even  when no-one is looking).  I realize that yes Dave and Sal both  have Mboats  and the offer was there to show the Mboat as well, but we  somehow conveniently  switched the term Montgomery for "Jerry Montgomery Design" a  marketing tactic of  late that allows the injection of Sage into a  conversation that is about  Montgomerys, and also threw the offer to show the Sage  in there for good  measure. I'm not taking sides here between Montgomery and  Sage, but I suspect if  the owner of a competing boat company did that on  the Sage forum it would not be  looked at favorably. Poor form.

 My wish is that you guys would certainly participate in the forums as  Montgomery Owners, which you both are...Rather than representatives of Sage  Marine trying to slide in a continuous sales pitch. I know that this  viewpoint  won't be viewed favorably by all and that's OK, but I refuse  to  continue  see it to happen and just act like either I don't  understand what is taking  place, or that I don't care. Neither is the case.

 I'm sure some will disagree with me. Maybe I am "off" here on this  perception and it is just a random occurrence of  Sage Marine  marketing on  Montgomery forums once in a while. If I am I apologize but I  don't feel that this  is the case and I get less enjoyment out of the forum every  time it  happens. If It's just me, then OK...maybe I should be moving along.

 Sorry for the "downer".

 For what it's worth.

 Sean