Weird, to my knowledge, I don't think the centerboard is supposed to fit fully into the keel on an M15. The amount shown in the photo is the centerboard fully retracted on my boat, and my new lead centerboard fits the same. It was absolutely impossible to budge with any of the several methods I tried before this. Could you send photos of the centerboard and area looking up into the trunk on your boat? Sincerely, Tyler From: "Steve w" <m35nc1@gmail.com> To: "casioqv" <casioqv@usermail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:24:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Mine is flush with the keel. Did you manage to pull yours out that far or was it already sticking out that much On Jun 3, 2017 9:19 PM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote: See attached. I drilled holes in the exposed part of the centerboard, and bolted on stock steel from a hardware store. Everything used here is 100% standard hardware store parts. Again, Captain Jim Sadler was the person who first thought of this general method, which I followed. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:35:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Tyler please send the pictures when you get a chance. I don't know what else to do with it On Jun 3, 2017 10:14 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Early M15 centerboards were made with steel punchings as ballast, and water would gradually encroach in. As the punchings rust, they expand in volume locking the centerboard in place, and it won't reverse from drying the boat out. It can become stuck very hard, and requires building a puller tool to remove properly. I can send you photos of what I did to get it out if you decide yours needs it. I used a threaded rod to pull it out, based on a design by Captain Jim, also on this list. I wish I had tried that method first, as trying the metal rod method made the job 5x as much work as it would have been otherwise.
My boat also hadn't been in the water for over a decade when I purchased it, and it was because of the stuck centerboard... normally the centerboard is quite loose on these boats, and will drop easily under it's own weight.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 7:05:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
What would cause the centerboard to swell. It hasn't been in water for years
On Jun 3, 2017 10:03 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Be really careful with that method, only a very small amount of pressure can be applied safely with a rod. I tried this when I had a truly swollen centerboard, and had to tap the rod with a hammer. The rod went straight through the centerboard, and slipped sideways damaging the hull... without budging the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:52:53 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
Steve, A friend of mine used to have the issue of a sticking board because of small pebbles and debris washing down the drain hole. He used a narrow push rod to apply pressure from the topside to get the board to move. If course he knew it was stuck from debris and not a swollen trunk. I hope it's not due to rusting steel punches.
Skip M-15 #201 Wild Guppy
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dave Scobie < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Oh.
Could be jammed ... Or could be rusting and swelled.
When I have a real internet connection, currently traveling so on smartphone, I'll look in archives for discussion on how to push the board down if stuck from Rock, mud, shells, etc. Or someone may share methods prior.
I hope it isn't rusting.
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 6:12 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
The boat was in a garage for 10 years. The owner has passed.
On Jun 3, 2017 8:10 AM, "Dave Scobie" < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Steve.
Did the prior owner say the board was working?
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 5:27 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Thanks Steve that's what I thought, however with the boat in the water and no tension on that line the centerboard still doesn't move. I swam under and tried to pry with a screwdriver. It doesn't move at all. I live NC in a community called Seven Lakes. That's where I'll start sailing her but I'd like to do some coastal cruising eventually.
On Jun 2, 2017 10:59 PM, "Steve Trapp" < [ mailto:stevetrapp@q.com | stevetrapp@q.com ] > wrote:
Steve, The centerboard on an M-15 is lowered by releasing the rope (line) that is probably tied to a cleat on the seatboard across the cockpit at the aft of the cabin. The centerboard cleat is next to the main-sheet cleat. Make sure the release line (rope) is tied in the up position and securely to the cleat before launching or outhauling your M-15 because any slack will get the boat stuck on the trailer. Where do you plan to sail your M-15, what body of water, what state? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Steve w Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:49 PM To: [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard
I just purchased an M15 and I can't figure out how to lower the centerboard. If someone knows where I can get an owner's manual I'd appreciate that as well. Thanks, Steve
Yes. I'll try to take some tomorrow On Jun 3, 2017 9:32 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Weird, to my knowledge, I don't think the centerboard is supposed to fit fully into the keel on an M15. The amount shown in the photo is the centerboard fully retracted on my boat, and my new lead centerboard fits the same. It was absolutely impossible to budge with any of the several methods I tried before this.
Could you send photos of the centerboard and area looking up into the trunk on your boat?
Sincerely, Tyler
From: "Steve w" <m35nc1@gmail.com> To: "casioqv" <casioqv@usermail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:24:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
Mine is flush with the keel. Did you manage to pull yours out that far or was it already sticking out that much
On Jun 3, 2017 9:19 PM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
See attached. I drilled holes in the exposed part of the centerboard, and bolted on stock steel from a hardware store. Everything used here is 100% standard hardware store parts. Again, Captain Jim Sadler was the person who first thought of this general method, which I followed.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < [ mailto:montgomery_boats@ mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:35:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
Tyler please send the pictures when you get a chance. I don't know what else to do with it
On Jun 3, 2017 10:14 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Early M15 centerboards were made with steel punchings as ballast, and water would gradually encroach in. As the punchings rust, they expand in volume locking the centerboard in place, and it won't reverse from drying the boat out. It can become stuck very hard, and requires building a puller tool to remove properly. I can send you photos of what I did to get it out if you decide yours needs it. I used a threaded rod to pull it out, based on a design by Captain Jim, also on this list. I wish I had tried that method first, as trying the metal rod method made the job 5x as much work as it would have been otherwise.
My boat also hadn't been in the water for over a decade when I purchased it, and it was because of the stuck centerboard... normally the centerboard is quite loose on these boats, and will drop easily under it's own weight.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 7:05:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
What would cause the centerboard to swell. It hasn't been in water for years
On Jun 3, 2017 10:03 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Be really careful with that method, only a very small amount of pressure can be applied safely with a rod. I tried this when I had a truly swollen centerboard, and had to tap the rod with a hammer. The rod went straight through the centerboard, and slipped sideways damaging the hull... without budging the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:52:53 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
Steve, A friend of mine used to have the issue of a sticking board because of small pebbles and debris washing down the drain hole. He used a narrow push rod to apply pressure from the topside to get the board to move. If course he knew it was stuck from debris and not a swollen trunk. I hope it's not due to rusting steel punches.
Skip M-15 #201 Wild Guppy
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dave Scobie < [ mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Oh.
Could be jammed ... Or could be rusting and swelled.
When I have a real internet connection, currently traveling so on smartphone, I'll look in archives for discussion on how to push the board down if stuck from Rock, mud, shells, etc. Or someone may share methods prior.
I hope it isn't rusting.
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 6:12 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
The boat was in a garage for 10 years. The owner has passed.
On Jun 3, 2017 8:10 AM, "Dave Scobie" < [ mailto: scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Steve.
Did the prior owner say the board was working?
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 5:27 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Thanks Steve that's what I thought, however with the boat in the water and no tension on that line the centerboard still doesn't move. I swam under and tried to pry with a screwdriver. It doesn't move at all. I live NC in a community called Seven Lakes. That's where I'll start sailing her but I'd like to do some coastal cruising eventually.
> On Jun 2, 2017 10:59 PM, "Steve Trapp" < [ mailto:stevetrapp@q.com | stevetrapp@q.com ] > wrote: > > Steve, > The centerboard on an M-15 is lowered by releasing the rope (line) that > is probably tied to a cleat on the seatboard across the cockpit at the aft > of the cabin. The centerboard cleat is next to the main-sheet cleat. Make > sure the release line (rope) is tied in the up position and securely to the > cleat before launching or outhauling your M-15 because any slack will get > the boat stuck on the trailer. > Where do you plan to sail your M-15, what body of water, what state? > Steve > M-15 # 335 > South Puget Sound > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Steve w > Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:49 PM > To: [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] > Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard > > I just purchased an M15 and I can't figure out how to lower the > centerboard. If someone knows where I can get an owner's manual I'd > appreciate that as well. Thanks, Steve > >
Looked at the centerboard on my 1985 M-15 this A.M., it was fully retracted with a small gap between the keel and the trailer rollers. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:31 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Weird, to my knowledge, I don't think the centerboard is supposed to fit fully into the keel on an M15. The amount shown in the photo is the centerboard fully retracted on my boat, and my new lead centerboard fits the same. It was absolutely impossible to budge with any of the several methods I tried before this. Could you send photos of the centerboard and area looking up into the trunk on your boat? Sincerely, Tyler From: "Steve w" <m35nc1@gmail.com> To: "casioqv" <casioqv@usermail.com> Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 6:24:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Mine is flush with the keel. Did you manage to pull yours out that far or was it already sticking out that much On Jun 3, 2017 9:19 PM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote: See attached. I drilled holes in the exposed part of the centerboard, and bolted on stock steel from a hardware store. Everything used here is 100% standard hardware store parts. Again, Captain Jim Sadler was the person who first thought of this general method, which I followed. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 4:35:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Tyler please send the pictures when you get a chance. I don't know what else to do with it On Jun 3, 2017 10:14 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Early M15 centerboards were made with steel punchings as ballast, and water would gradually encroach in. As the punchings rust, they expand in volume locking the centerboard in place, and it won't reverse from drying the boat out. It can become stuck very hard, and requires building a puller tool to remove properly. I can send you photos of what I did to get it out if you decide yours needs it. I used a threaded rod to pull it out, based on a design by Captain Jim, also on this list. I wish I had tried that method first, as trying the metal rod method made the job 5x as much work as it would have been otherwise.
My boat also hadn't been in the water for over a decade when I purchased it, and it was because of the stuck centerboard... normally the centerboard is quite loose on these boats, and will drop easily under it's own weight.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 7:05:28 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
What would cause the centerboard to swell. It hasn't been in water for years
On Jun 3, 2017 10:03 AM, < [ mailto:casioqv@usermail.com | casioqv@usermail.com ] > wrote:
Be really careful with that method, only a very small amount of pressure can be applied safely with a rod. I tried this when I had a truly swollen centerboard, and had to tap the rod with a hammer. The rod went straight through the centerboard, and slipped sideways damaging the hull... without budging the centerboard.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman. [ http://xmission.com/ | xmission.com ] > Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2017 5:52:53 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard
Steve, A friend of mine used to have the issue of a sticking board because of small pebbles and debris washing down the drain hole. He used a narrow push rod to apply pressure from the topside to get the board to move. If course he knew it was stuck from debris and not a swollen trunk. I hope it's not due to rusting steel punches.
Skip M-15 #201 Wild Guppy
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 3, 2017, at 8:16 AM, Dave Scobie < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Oh.
Could be jammed ... Or could be rusting and swelled.
When I have a real internet connection, currently traveling so on smartphone, I'll look in archives for discussion on how to push the board down if stuck from Rock, mud, shells, etc. Or someone may share methods prior.
I hope it isn't rusting.
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 6:12 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
The boat was in a garage for 10 years. The owner has passed.
On Jun 3, 2017 8:10 AM, "Dave Scobie" < [ mailto:scoobscobie@gmail.com | scoobscobie@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Steve.
Did the prior owner say the board was working?
:: Dave Scobie
On Jun 3, 2017 5:27 AM, "Steve w" < [ mailto:m35nc1@gmail.com | m35nc1@gmail.com ] > wrote:
Thanks Steve that's what I thought, however with the boat in the water and no tension on that line the centerboard still doesn't move. I swam under and tried to pry with a screwdriver. It doesn't move at all. I live NC in a community called Seven Lakes. That's where I'll start sailing her but I'd like to do some coastal cruising eventually.
On Jun 2, 2017 10:59 PM, "Steve Trapp" < [ mailto:stevetrapp@q.com | stevetrapp@q.com ] > wrote:
Steve, The centerboard on an M-15 is lowered by releasing the rope (line) that is probably tied to a cleat on the seatboard across the cockpit at the aft of the cabin. The centerboard cleat is next to the main-sheet cleat. Make sure the release line (rope) is tied in the up position and securely to the cleat before launching or outhauling your M-15 because any slack will get the boat stuck on the trailer. Where do you plan to sail your M-15, what body of water, what state? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound
-----Original Message----- From: Steve w Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 6:49 PM To: [ mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com | montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com ] Subject: M_Boats: Centerboard
I just purchased an M15 and I can't figure out how to lower the centerboard. If someone knows where I can get an owner's manual I'd appreciate that as well. Thanks, Steve
I have a 1976 M17. MMP170950376. I had to get a new title for it because it was not required where it came from. I assume the VIN is the number stamped on the transom shown above. My paper work showed just the haul # (#95). Should I use that or the full number. Is the haul # unique to my boat, or does this indicate a haul design that might apply to a lot of boats? My paper work also indicates that this is a Montgomery Sea King. I’ve never seen in any other discussions - “Sea King”. Anybody ever hear of this? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bob Eeg Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard New ones
Excellent, I think you indeed have enough to bolt onto with the puller method. If you do it, make the pusher push against the trunk itself, or the trailer. Mine pushed against the hull, but that was not a great design on my part- I was lucky I didn't crack the hull when I cranked down on it. Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "m35nc1" <m35nc1@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 5:39:13 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Centerboard Finally got some pictures of the centerboard. It sits on a roller on the trailer. It sits maybe a half inch below the trunk On Jun 4, 2017 3:47 PM, "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
New ones
Looking at these pictures the slot has been damaged. Is that ruat I see around the slot? First guess made looking at pictures on a cell phone in Mats Mats Bay, WA, is the keel ballast is rusting. No rust evident on the board? Is the keel, ouside, uniform I shape? No odd bulges or differences between sides? :: Dave Scobie On Jun 12, 2017 5:39 AM, "Steve w" <m35nc1@gmail.com> wrote:
Finally got some pictures of the centerboard. It sits on a roller on the trailer. It sits maybe a half inch below the trunk
On Jun 4, 2017 3:47 PM, "Bob Eeg" <montgomeryboats@hotmail.com> wrote:
New ones
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