Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargKh...
Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones ====================== I am staying down here on the warm end where we can just slap at the occasional bugs rather than shoot them. Tim D in BC.....Kelowna, The Mediteranian of Canada. ========================================== I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargKh IlzJoReBTxnS3nkR4oJhup/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1396 - Release Date: 4/24/2008 6:32 PM
Tim, Sorry, I forgot to mention that we needed transfusions after the trip, despite expending a case of 12 gauge #5. Seriously, though, I have always wondered if Okanagon Valley is located in some sort of rift in the universe. It is much too balmy for that latitude. During my time as a grad student in Vancouver, we actually drove out there to see the sun and blue sky after four months without. Tom -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:10 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Canada sailing Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones ====================== I am staying down here on the warm end where we can just slap at the occasional bugs rather than shoot them. Tim D in BC.....Kelowna, The Mediteranian of Canada. ========================================== I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargKh IlzJoReBTxnS3nkR4oJhup/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1396 - Release Date: 4/24/2008 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
"Tim, Sorry, I forgot to mention that we needed transfusions after the trip, despite expending a case of 12 gauge #5. Seriously, though, I have always wondered if Okanagon Valley is located in some sort of rift in the universe. It is much too balmy for that latitude. During my time as a grad student in Vancouver, we actually drove out there to see the sun and blue sky after four months without." Tom
The last straw that preceded my eventual escape from the Wet Coast was finding what appeared to be the makings of gills behind my ears and webs between my toes. Once I moved, I discovered it was only moss. A good pressure washing and I was fine.
In my immediate area there are few mosquitoes. I did 10 days on Shuswap Lake last year ( 3 hours north) and had to vacate an anchorage at 3am. We were swarmed like nothing I have ever seen before. Even in southern Ontario where mosqutos fly off with small children, they were not as aggressive and irritating. Tim D in Sunny Okanagan Valley BC. Still unseasonably cold, but sailing since mid March. ----------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 7:10 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Canada sailing Tom, Wow, does THAT sound great! Bones ====================== I am staying down here on the warm end where we can just slap at the occasional bugs rather than shoot them. Tim D in BC.....Kelowna, The Mediteranian of Canada. ========================================== I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. _____________________________________________________________ Click now to find a divorce attorney near you! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oG1v0msZOqF2UKSpPDoLargKh IlzJoReBTxnS3nkR4oJhup/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1396 - Release Date: 4/24/2008 6:32 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.4/1396 - Release Date: 4/24/2008 6:32 PM
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. Thanks much, Joe
I notice all the pictures I've seen of the M-17's have the forward hatch hinged so the hatch opens aft. Why don't they open forward so as to scoop air to circulate down below. Joe
Well, it keeps the water out better. --Gary On Apr 26, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I notice all the pictures I've seen of the M-17's have the forward hatch hinged so the hatch opens aft. Why don't they open forward so as to scoop air to circulate down below.
Joe
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And it stays shut when trailering and you forgot to lock it down. --Gary On Apr 26, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I notice all the pictures I've seen of the M-17's have the forward hatch hinged so the hatch opens aft. Why don't they open forward so as to scoop air to circulate down below.
Joe
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Sailing in 2-3 foot seas is no problem. Anchoring might be a different story. I'd hope you could find a gunk hole calmer than that. The rear facing top hatch is to prevent it flying open and being ripped off going down the highway. And I prefer it drawing air out vs. forcing it in on top of you. I can't imagine a situation where you would have the hatch open if water was coming over the bow. Frankly, I have a hard time imagining water coming over the bow. Maybe if you were plowing headfirst into some really big stuff. Some have also installed cowl vents on the foredeck. A previous owner did that to my boat, and I wish it wasn't there. Doesn't draw enough air to matter and with the cowl vent in place or a deck plate, it leaks. Howard On Apr 26, 2008, at 8:04 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0) Cheers, Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. Thanks much, Joe _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM
Tim, Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it solved 90% of his problem. Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? Thanks again, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0) Cheers, Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. Thanks much, Joe _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
After the first night, the whole...'down the center line' thing occurred to me as well. So I rigged up a rope bridle/web with some heavy cloth for chaffing... using the pulpit. It was kind of like a sling that held the rode on center just ahead of the stemhead. It did not seem to make any difference. Though, funny you should mention it because I am right in the middle of coming up with a way to make a bow roller that would be on the center line. Started the research and bought a roller last week. Thanks Joe Tim D -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy Tim, Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it solved 90% of his problem. Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? Thanks again, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0) Cheers, Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. Thanks much, Joe _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 4/26/2008 2:17 PM _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1400 - Release Date: 4/27/2008 9:39 AM
Tim, Don't know if the technology transfers, but in bad conditions I fasten my anchor line to the trailer eye, which centers the force and greatly lowers the rolling axis. You of course want the bitter end fastened to the boat for safety, and a guick-release setup, but chafing on the hull is pretty-much eliminated because the rode is slack above the eye. The disadvantage is a short bit of hanging over the bow to click on the carabiner or whatever, but that is not so bad if you first set the anchor on the bow cleat, then pull the boat forward to get some slack. Incidentally, this maneuver is easiest with chain rode, which requires merely a meter of line with a loop and a hook. I imagine no one has used chain on a Montgomery shorter than a 23, since you need a chain locker. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:25 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy After the first night, the whole...'down the center line' thing occurred to me as well. So I rigged up a rope bridle/web with some heavy cloth for chaffing... using the pulpit. It was kind of like a sling that held the rode on center just ahead of the stemhead. It did not seem to make any difference. Though, funny you should mention it because I am right in the middle of coming up with a way to make a bow roller that would be on the center line. Started the research and bought a roller last week. Thanks Joe Tim D -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy Tim, Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it solved 90% of his problem. Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? Thanks again, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0) Cheers, Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. 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That sounds like a great idea Tom. Yes, chain would be the only way to have it be easy....but a ring or stopper bowline on the rode, with a strong locking carabeener would also work.....and still have the bitter end to belay on deck. Speaking of chain lockers.....that is the single biggest 'minus' of the 17 in my mind. I know you can't have it all and every boat is a series of compromises etc. But I am no fan of an anchoring bag. I have been trying to come up with a plan to build a self draining chain/rope locker under in the forpeak...but still leave enough space for feets at the V. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Jenkins Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:42 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy Tim, Don't know if the technology transfers, but in bad conditions I fasten my anchor line to the trailer eye, which centers the force and greatly lowers the rolling axis. You of course want the bitter end fastened to the boat for safety, and a guick-release setup, but chafing on the hull is pretty-much eliminated because the rode is slack above the eye. The disadvantage is a short bit of hanging over the bow to click on the carabiner or whatever, but that is not so bad if you first set the anchor on the bow cleat, then pull the boat forward to get some slack. Incidentally, this maneuver is easiest with chain rode, which requires merely a meter of line with a loop and a hook. I imagine no one has used chain on a Montgomery shorter than a 23, since you need a chain locker. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tim Diebert Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 7:25 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy After the first night, the whole...'down the center line' thing occurred to me as well. So I rigged up a rope bridle/web with some heavy cloth for chaffing... using the pulpit. It was kind of like a sling that held the rode on center just ahead of the stemhead. It did not seem to make any difference. Though, funny you should mention it because I am right in the middle of coming up with a way to make a bow roller that would be on the center line. Started the research and bought a roller last week. Thanks Joe Tim D -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 2:53 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy Tim, Thanks for the info. Do you have a roller at the bow for the anchor rode or do you use one of the chalks? I was anchored out at the Fort Macon light house one weekend and I watched a couple next to me doing exactly what you described. The next morning we got together for coffee and he said he was going to have a small roller put right off the tip of the bow. He emailed me later and told me that it solved 90% of his problem. Sleeping... Is it possible to sleep in the starboard berth? Thanks again, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 12:45:23 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0) Cheers, Tim D in BC. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27. 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Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0) The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance. Tim -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life. On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
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I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth. I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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Hello Jerry, Sorry to use the web page but I don't know if my e-mails are getting thru to you. I was asking about re-rigging a PS 25. Let me know at seaweeble@hotmail.com or cal 541-430-0481 Thanks, Ian
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:43:09 -0700> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico> and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is> with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?> > I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and> chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to> avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down> thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on> the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off> center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on> center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which> would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it> from banging back and forth.> > I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several> different boats and had no problem with any.> > Jerry> jerrymontgomery.org> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > > > That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing> > this morning....~:0)> >> > The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook> > two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I> always> > do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not> > dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and> > wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in> this> > bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a> > bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me> > wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I> > figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the> > trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as> > possible. No difference.> > I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.> >> > Tim> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M> > Hyde> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> >> > Tim:> > I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook.> > --Gary Hyde> > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2'> > We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.> > Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.> >> > On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:> > > The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any> > > kind of> > > lumpy water of course.> > > I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of> > > little> > > noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to> > > tell you> > > the truth.> > > Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to> > > 'sail' when> > > on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and> > > forth> > > within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight> > > sideways> > > roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at> > > anchor> > > for night.> > > My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it> > > is a> > > bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big> > > berth> > > in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The> > > tent> > > prototype is partway done.> > > When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many> > > days no> > > problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the> > > boat.....and we> > > are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening> > > again. ~:0)> > >> > > Cheers, Tim D in BC.> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of> > > Joe> > > Murphy> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > >> > > I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how> > > seaworthy> > > they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about> > > anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort> > > NC area> > >> > > which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a> > > NorSea 27.> > >> > > Thanks much,> > > Joe> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >> > >> > > --> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > > Checked by AVG.> > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date:> > > 4/26/2008> > > 2:17 PM> > >> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1408 - Release Date: 4/30/2008> > 6:10 PM> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> >> >> > --> > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.7/1409 - Release Date: 5/1/2008> 8:39 AM> >> >> > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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No, I haven't been getting them! I've been having this problem now and then, but I get about a hundred emails a day- mostly spam. Why don't you send me another message late tonite or early tomorrow, and I'll use my laptop? I really have no idea if the problem comes from my computor or from the server. Maybe it's time to get out of the Dark Ages and go broadband, but I'm too cheep. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Black" <seaweeble@hotmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Hello Jerry, Sorry to use the web page but I don't know if my e-mails are getting thru to you. I was asking about re-rigging a PS 25. Let me know at seaweeble@hotmail.com or cal 541-430-0481 Thanks, Ian
From: jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 09:43:09 -0700> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico> and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is> with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?> > I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and> chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to> avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down> thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on> the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off> center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on> center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which> would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it> from banging back and forth.> > I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several> different boats and had no problem with any.> > Jerry> jerrymontgomery.org> > ----- Original Message -----> From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com>> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'"> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > > > That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing> > this morning....~:0)> >> > The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook> > two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I> always> > do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not> > dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and> > wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in> this> > bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a> > bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me> > wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I> > figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the> > trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as> > possible. No difference.> > I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.> >> > Tim> >> -----Original Message-----> > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M> Hyde> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> >> > Tim:> > I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook.> --Gary Hyde> > 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2'> > We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.> > Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.> >> > On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:> > > The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any> > > kind of> lumpy water of course.> > > I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of> > > little> > > noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to> > > tell you> > > the truth.> Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to> > > 'sail' when> > > on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and> > > forth> > > within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight> > > sideways> > > roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at> > > anchor> > > for night.> > > My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it> > > is a> > > bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big> > > berth> in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The> > > tent> > > prototype is partway done.> > > When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many> > > days no> > > problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the> > > boat.....and we> > > are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening> > > again. ~:0)> >
Cheers, Tim D in BC.> > >> > > -----Original Message-----> > > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> > > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of> > > Joe> > > Murphy> > > Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:05 PM> > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats> > > Subject: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy> > >> > > I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how> > > seaworthy> > > they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about> > > anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort> > > NC area> > >> > > which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a> > > NorSea 27.> > >> > > Thanks much,> > > Joe> > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > >>
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I hate the smell of burning blankets! Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm telling you Jerry. Smoky campfire. Blanket. t
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Jerry, Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin* I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards. 11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon. Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong? I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth. I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any. Jerry jerrymontgomery.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Diebert" <tim@timtone.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Gary M Hyde Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
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I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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Try this: Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries those anymore?) Drawbacks: 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work. I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary. Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648 On May 1, 2008, at 2:57 PM, <htmills@zoominternet.net> wrote:
Jerry,
Maybe you got a defective copy? *grin*
I don't recall Busca sailing at anchor either. The only time I can recall moving about is when the wind was light and/or the tide/current came into play. And then the time in the Chesapeake when we dragged during a thunderstorm and my 11# Bruce couldn't hold a half-dozen plus rafted up boats. Of course, then we didn't sail around, we just slowly moved backwards.
11# Bruce + 17' of 5/16" chain + 3/8" three strand nylon.
Tod
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of jerry Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:43 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
I'm curious about this also. I've spent many nites on the hook in Mexico and Catalina Isl, and don't ever remember the boat sailing around; this is with a 17 and a 15 also. What am I doing wrong?
I wonder if it could be something as simple as the amount of scope and chain? I used 5/16" chain, and about 30 feet of it. I tried my best to avoid rough anchorages, but if there was any chop at all I ran the line down thru the trailer eye as someone else mentioned. Otherwise I tied it off on the bow cleat and led the line around the puplit, which would make it off center by at least a foot. I normally left the rudder down and lashed on center. Only other thing I can think of would be the boom awning, which would add some drag aft. I normally raised the CB, but that was to keep it from banging back and forth.
I really can't think of any other possible factors! I have used several different boats and had no problem with any.
Jerry jerrymontgomery.org
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That's not a good bit of info Gary. You got me all depressed first thing this morning....~:0)
The thing that really brought this to light for me was a night on the hook two summers ago. I wind shift turned my anchorage uncomfortable. As I always do I take bearings on fixed points and keep checking to be sure I am not dragging. Every time I poked my head out the hatch I saw something new and wondered if the wind was shifting that badly. A motor boat dropped in this bay later in the evening. His boat tracked straight into the wind...like a bird dog. At first I thought he had a stern anchor....but no. Got me wondering why PUFF sailed all over the place and he did not. That's when I figured it was the off-center (no bow roller) condition. I went to the trouble of making a centering harness on the pulpit and kept it as low as possible. No difference. I will try all the other ideas mentioned as I get a chance.
Tim
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Tim: I've owned 4 sailboats and they all tacked back and forth on the hook. --Gary Hyde 2005 M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. Sailing is like "African Queening" thru life.
On Apr 27, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Tim Diebert wrote:
The stubbiness of the 17 means it will be a lot more frisky in any kind of lumpy water of course. I find that the lapstrakes...the faux laps....tend to make a lot of little noises with even the slightest water action. I drives me wacky to tell you the truth. Another thing I have noticed about the 17 is that she tends to 'sail' when on the hook. Rather than nose to wind she tends to wander back and forth within a 45 degree quadrant. Because of this she can get a slight sideways roll going at times. I am going to try a small riding sail when at anchor for night. My wife an I can both sleep in the V berth....simutaineously. But it is a bit tight. We decided to work on the cockpit tent more and rig a big berth in the cockpit in the future. One in the V berth, one outside. The tent prototype is partway done. When I cruise by myself it is perfectly roomy and suitable for many days no problem. I have also spent over a week with my wife on the boat.....and we are still married...though she has told me it won't be happening again. ~:0)
Cheers, Tim D in BC.
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I'm looking at the M17 as a next boat and have taken note on how seaworthy they are. In addition, I'm wondering what you all have to say about anchoring out. I like doing overnighters in and around the Beaufort NC area
which means a lot of 2-3 foot seas. My experiences have been aboard a NorSea 27.
Thanks much, Joe
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Now this is a technique I have never tried or even read about. I carry one of those grapnel units as a second and will try this next time. ThanksJim. Tim D. --------------------- "Try this: Drop a second anchor off the bow. Pay out very short scope (anchor just touching the ground then a few feet more). The second anchor should drag along and discourage the whole boat from wrenching back and forth. This works best with one of those grapnel type dinghy anchors (It actually works even better with a Hershoff anchor - but who carries those anymore?) Drawbacks: 1) It can require frequent adjusting in areas with large tidal ranges (or your second anchor will just dangle when the tide comes in). 2) It doesn't work very well with Danforth type anchors. 3) On some bottoms it just plain doesn't work. I started using this technique on a boat that would tack at anchor so badly that my crew threatened to sue for whiplash. I haven't anchored out on my new M-17 so I don't know if it's necessary. Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648"
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