Doug, I will be in Tucson on the 21st, and It may be possible for me to bring my M-17 up during the time frame you speak of. The last time Dana (my wife) and I were on lake Pleasant was a few years ago when we met up with Lenny and his M-23. At that time there was an M-15 on the lake along with a Flicka. If it comes about that I can make it up there, how about a sail? Tom Woodworth M-17 "Wild Hare"