Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 69, Issue 37

17 Nov 2008

      Bill...

You have done a fabulous job on the photo web site!  I understand the change
in circumstances for you and honor the time you have contributed in this
endeavor which has clearly helped so many of us. 

I too am willing to donate money to try to keep this information available
to all.  However, I am wondering if there might be another solution as well?
Not being much of a technofile (don't even know if that is a word...but you
all get the point), I am wondering if the photos might be transferred to the
Yahoo Groups that we already have in place for our owners database?  I know
other Yahoo groups that I belong to have photo file sections, and also data
base sections for users to upload technical data, brochure copies...etc.

Could this be possible?  It would be a shame to lose the information and
images that have been gathered, and like Andrei has previously posted, I am
sure few of us have the ability nor the time to upload all the photos.
However, as I said, I am more than willing to contribute to the funding of a
solution.

Many thanks, Bill for your tireless and clearly unheralded efforts!

Best,
JB

"Seranita"
1978 M-17
Mission Bay Yacht Club
San Diego

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Photo Site Closes December 15, 2008 (Andrei Caldararu)
   2. (no subject) (kdocter@bellsouth.net)
   3. Re: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? (RKGraves)
   4. Re: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water? (EinkaufR43@aol.com)
   5. Re: (no subject) (Bill Lamica)
   6. Re: (no subject) (Joe Murphy)
   7. Re: (no subject) (jerry)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:53:02 -0600
From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Photo Site Closes December 15, 2008
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Hello all,

is there any way we could somehow save the data of the site in some sort of
archive? It will take me too long to download the whole site one photo at a
time, but if I got the whole archive I might be able to put it up somewhere
on my own web site, so that it is not entirely lost.

Andrei.

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 15:04:33 +0000
From: kdocter@bellsouth.net
Subject: M_Boats: (no subject)
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 Bill, 
What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay
active.
Any way that is possible?
Kendall 

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:45:01 -0800
From: RKGraves <RKGraves@cite.nic.edu>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water?
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Ron,

This past summer I used VS721 on the bottom on our M17. The boat was in a
fresh water slip from May - Sept. We live in the Northern part of Idaho and
our water temp is typically in the 50's for most of the summer, mid-60's for
July and August. In prior years I did not put anything on the bottom for
antifouling protection. Overall I was pleased with the results of VS721. I
didn't stop bottom growth from happening (I do think it slowed it down) but
it certainly made cleaning the bottom much easier as the end of the season. 

A little bit of VS721 goes a long ways. A 16oz bottle is enough for 4
applications below the water line. 

Randy Graves
M17 #410
Post Falls, ID

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Subject: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water?

I'll be slipping my clean bottomed M-15 for some of next season on the
improved but not pristine Saginaw River, near the mouth of the Saginaw Bay.
That's
Lake Huron to non-Great Lakes folks.
My boat has no bottom paint, and I'm willing to expend some effort to keep
it
that way. If only to preserve my options for a while.
. Something should be better than nothing.  The supplier ads make it sound
like they're made with hi-tech chemicals, but I'm forming the opinion they
are
pretty much just  thick Canadian approved wax .
Having studied up a bit, mostly at TrailerSailor, I find mixed reviews
leading me to hold hopeful, but still somewhat minimal expectations of
these two
products:
Aurora VS721 Bottom Coat, and Easy On Bottom Wax.

Does anyone have fresh water experience with, or preference for, either of
these products, or an alternative they'd like to share?  I'm currently
inclined
to try the VS721, and have located a nearby dealer. It seems West may have
Easy On.

I'm following the awning/boom tent discussions, and plan to deploy something
come spring.

Finally, a thank you to Bill for his efforts!

Ron Stanton, near Saginaw
M-15 #249

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:51:42 EST
From: EinkaufR43@aol.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats: antifouling bottom wax and fresh water?
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Randy;
Thanks! That's the first-hand report I'd hoped to receive!  
I expect our river is warmer, and gunkier, but it's worth a try.
Ron, in Michigan
M-15 #249

In a message dated 11/17/2008 10:45:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
RKGraves@cite.nic.edu writes:

Ron,

This past summer I used VS721 on the bottom on our M17. The  boat was in a 
fresh water slip from May - Sept. We live in the Northern part  of Idaho and
our 
water temp is typically in the 50's for most of the summer,  mid-60's for 
July and August. In prior years I did not put anything on the  bottom for 
antifouling protection. Overall I was pleased with the results of  VS721. I
didn't 
stop bottom growth from happening (I do think it slowed it  down) but it 
certainly made cleaning the bottom much easier as the end of the  season. 

A little bit of VS721 goes a long ways. A 16oz bottle is  enough for 4 
applications below the water line. 

Randy Graves
M17  #410
Post Falls,  ID

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Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008  5:55 AM
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: M_Boats:  antifouling bottom wax and fresh water?

I'll be slipping my clean  bottomed M-15 for some of next season on the
improved but not pristine  Saginaw River, near the mouth of the Saginaw Bay.

That's
Lake Huron to  non-Great Lakes folks.
My boat has no bottom paint, and I'm willing to  expend some effort to keep
it
that way. If only to preserve my options for  a while.
. Something should be better than nothing.  The supplier ads  make it sound
like they're made with hi-tech chemicals, but I'm forming the  opinion they 
are
pretty much just  thick Canadian approved wax  .
Having studied up a bit, mostly at TrailerSailor, I find mixed  reviews
leading me to hold hopeful, but still somewhat minimal expectations  of  
these two
products:
Aurora VS721 Bottom Coat, and Easy On  Bottom Wax.

Does anyone have fresh water experience with, or preference  for, either of
these products, or an alternative they'd like to  share?  I'm currently 
inclined
to try the VS721, and have located a  nearby dealer. It seems West may have
Easy On.

I'm following the  awning/boom tent discussions, and plan to deploy
something
come  spring.

Finally, a thank you to Bill for his efforts!

Ron  Stanton, near Saginaw
M-15 #249

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:17:38 -0800
From: "Bill Lamica" <billamicasr@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
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Hi,

The cost to keep it published for the next 12 months will run right at
$360.00.
There would be no "what's new", "Donations" "Contact me" or "links" page.

With my new project I'll have limited Internet use (E-mail) for the next
year or maybe more.
This means I wont be able to fix links. In addition; The site photo limit
has been reached.
In order to continue with more photos I would have to turn all of the
Maintenance pages
into PDF files. Or, open a sub-site (more money) linked from the current
site. Either way,
it's not doable.

The site would remain pretty much as it is.

Other ideas have been put forth. Who knows what will occur in the near
future.

Bill

On 11/17/08, kdocter@bellsouth.net <kdocter@bellsouth.net> wrote:
...
Bill,
What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay
active.
Any way that is possible?
Kendall
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:19:17 -0500
From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
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If it is a financial issue, I would be happy to chip in to keep the site 
going.
Joe
Seafrog M-17
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Bill,
What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay 
active.
Any way that is possible?
Kendall
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:02:23 -0800
From: "jerry" <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org>
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How about putting the pix on a CD?  I'd be happy to buy one.

jerry
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If it is a financial issue, I would be happy to chip in to keep the site
going.
Joe
Seafrog M-17
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Bill,
What is the financial burden to maintain the site?I'd like to see it stay
active.
Any way that is possible?
Kendall
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