Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
Jerry, Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc? -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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U Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Neil Dorf <ndorf@surfbest.net> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:49:44 To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan Jerry, Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc? -----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun! jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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Neil.... Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily. We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick. Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...? They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues). Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
From: ndorf@surfbest.net Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:49:44 -0700 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc?
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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Neil: i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production! $20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc. i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing? SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore. nothing lasts forever! dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote: Neil.... Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily. We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick. Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...? They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues). Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
From: ndorf@surfbest.net Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:49:44 -0700
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc?
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM
They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
Dave: Or maybe the sun shone on that window a lot when the boat was not in use? ⎈--Gary ☺ On Mar 23, 2010, at 5:00 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Neil:
i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production!
$20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc.
i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing?
SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore.
nothing lasts forever!
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Neil....
Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily.
We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick.
Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...?
They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues).
Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
From: ndorf@surfbest.net Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:49:44 -0700
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc?
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM
They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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The older M17's and newer ones do not have the same port windows. The older ones used two piece aluminum frames. One piece had a channel that held the glass in place with a piece of rubber channel gasket. If memory serves, those frames were made from several pieces, which were either riveted or soldered together. It went on the outside. Inside was the second piece, which screwed to the outside piece. The cabin itself is flush, with a port window sized cutout. The newer boats do away with the frame and simply screw the plexiglass to the side of the cabin, but inset into an indention that is formed into the cabin. I ran into all kinds of trouble replacing my side lights, as I could not find the rubber channel gasket. So I did a "modern" replacement: http://audasea.montgomeryowners.com/?p=20 In retrospect, you might also go with a thicker plexi or lexan to fill the gap in the metal frames and use silicone or bed them using the same black sealant glazing compound the car guys use with windshields. On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:00 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Neil: i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production! $20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc. i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing? SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore.
nothing lasts forever! dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Neil....
Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily.
We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick.
Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...?
They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues).
Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
From: ndorf@surfbest.net Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:49:44 -0700
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc?
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM
They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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good call Howard! i should have sail 'middle aged' 17s ;-) when did the 17's go from the metal framed windows to the look like the 15s? SWEET PEA is a '83 with the 'modern/new' deck/cabin/cockpit mold, but still having the 'old' steel punchings ballast and cast iron centerboard. --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: The older M17's and newer ones do not have the same port windows. The older ones used two piece aluminum frames. One piece had a channel that held the glass in place with a piece of rubber channel gasket. If memory serves, those frames were made from several pieces, which were either riveted or soldered together. It went on the outside. Inside was the second piece, which screwed to the outside piece. The cabin itself is flush, with a port window sized cutout. The newer boats do away with the frame and simply screw the plexiglass to the side of the cabin, but inset into an indention that is formed into the cabin. I ran into all kinds of trouble replacing my side lights, as I could not find the rubber channel gasket. So I did a "modern" replacement: http://audasea.montgomeryowners.com/?p=20 In retrospect, you might also go with a thicker plexi or lexan to fill the gap in the metal frames and use silicone or bed them using the same black sealant glazing compound the car guys use with windshields. On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:00 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Neil: i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production! $20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc. i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing? SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore.
nothing lasts forever! dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Neil....
Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily.
We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick.
Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...?
They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues).
Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
Dave, My 1979 M17 # 306 had the framed windows, ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 7:32 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan good call Howard! i should have sail 'middle aged' 17s ;-) when did the 17's go from the metal framed windows to the look like the 15s? SWEET PEA is a '83 with the 'modern/new' deck/cabin/cockpit mold, but still having the 'old' steel punchings ballast and cast iron centerboard. --- On Wed, 3/24/10, Howard Audsley <haudsley@tranquility.net> wrote: The older M17's and newer ones do not have the same port windows. The older ones used two piece aluminum frames. One piece had a channel that held the glass in place with a piece of rubber channel gasket. If memory serves, those frames were made from several pieces, which were either riveted or soldered together. It went on the outside. Inside was the second piece, which screwed to the outside piece. The cabin itself is flush, with a port window sized cutout. The newer boats do away with the frame and simply screw the plexiglass to the side of the cabin, but inset into an indention that is formed into the cabin. I ran into all kinds of trouble replacing my side lights, as I could not find the rubber channel gasket. So I did a "modern" replacement: http://audasea.montgomeryowners.com/?p=20 In retrospect, you might also go with a thicker plexi or lexan to fill the gap in the metal frames and use silicone or bed them using the same black sealant glazing compound the car guys use with windshields. On Mar 23, 2010, at 10:00 PM, W David Scobie wrote:
Neil:
i believed that the current build and older Mboats use the same shaped cabin windows ... and bob e. confirms! we monty's are lucky that the boat is still in production!
$20 bucks ... lot less than collecting the material, bit(s), cutting (and mistakes), etc.
i need to replace SWEET PEA's windows. the port window is so crazed as to be almost impossible to see out. this is the window over the galley, so i wonder if heat is the cause as the starboard windows have 1/10th the crazing?
SWEET PEA spent most of her 'before me' life on-buoy 1/2 the year. the usual orientation in her anchorage was port side facing the afternoon and evening sun. the starboard faced a tree-covered shore.
nothing lasts forever!
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site - http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Tue, 3/23/10, Bob From California <ocean37@hotmail.com> wrote:
Neil....
Why Lexan..?..Lexan cannot be tinted and it scratches easily.
We use ACRYLIC smoke tinted windows on the production M Boats and they are 1/4 inch thick.
Why spend the money $ on a Router Bit and a half sheet of Lexan or Acrylic when you can buy new windows already to install for $20 each from us...?
They come cut out and all you would have to do is have someone hold them in place while you back drill the new holes. We use Marine Silicon (no mold issues).
Fair winds, Bob www.montgomeryboats.com www.norseayachts.com (949) 489-8227
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Don't know if this link will survive the trip, but here goes........... http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php? map.x=304&map.y=166&site=eax&zmx=1&zmy=1&FcstType=graphical This is for Columbia, MO. You should be able to modify it to your location. Note the wind forecasts. Direction, speed and gusts. Great source to have for weekend trips, or to update along the way if you have access to the Internet.
Here's another one that's fun to play with. Note that you can pick your region of the Country in the upper left corner of the page. http://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/mesomap.cgi?state=UT&address=&type=&... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howard Audsley" <haudsley@tranquility.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:05 AM Subject: M_Boats: Weather Forecasts
Don't know if this link will survive the trip, but here goes...........
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php? map.x=304&map.y=166&site=eax&zmx=1&zmy=1&FcstType=graphical
This is for Columbia, MO. You should be able to modify it to your location.
Note the wind forecasts. Direction, speed and gusts. Great source to have for weekend trips, or to update along the way if you have access to the Internet.
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Probably not- the problem is heat. A tool is needed that wotks fast so the cut stays ahead of the heat, otherwise it melts and fuzzes up. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Dorf" <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:49 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
Jerry,
Thanks for the reply. Hope yourTucson trip was enjoyable. Can the Lexan cutting be done with a dremmel tool and the appropriate disc?
-----Original Message----- From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 2:48 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
They are undercut at 45 degrees, which we did on a router. If you have and are familiar with routers, get a carbide 45 degree bit and carefully make a pattern off the old one. I don't think you could cut one with a bandsaw; it would chip and fuzz up too much.. Have fun!
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <ndorf@surfbest.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Plexiglass / Lexan
I would like to redo my M15 port lights with new Lexan and was thinking I could use the existing ones as a template for the new ones. But I can't tell for sure until I remove them if they would actually lay flat or are slightly concave.
It looks like what's entailed is removing all the screws and I suppose there is some silicone caulking / adhesive sealant underneath...
Anyone know, or attempted this?
thanks, Neil
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