Hi George, I too am redoing my traveller on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Corin and seeing his fine "Orli", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" mag.Mar/Apr). and discussing his traveller arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwell in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a vang so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Tom If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system. If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track. I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritice. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
George and Tom, We have had a Harken windward sheeting traveller on the cockpit floor for 3 seasons now. Replaced the old pin stop version that was original equipment. That one saw little use as it was a real pain to use. The windward sheeting version gets constant use, sometimes more than the main sheet. Even though it is only 20 inches or so, that amount of adjustment has a large effect on sail shape. Full width across the seats would be interesting, but at a cost of restricting movement for what I think is the relaxed way many of us sail/cruise these boats. I have a snap shackle connecting the main sheet cam/block to the traveller car. Have not noticed the main sheet up against the seat edges very much. Probably because the traveller car is normally on center or to windward of center. Had thought I might a strop to raise up the main sheet block, but decided against that. It would then bang the seat edges if slacked. You do have to secure the windward sheeting car when there is no load on it, such as when motoring. Otherwise it bangs back and forth. We just pull to one side and tie off with a half hitch using the slack control line. Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritice. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Thanks for the imput, Bill. I will look into the Harken Windward Sheeting track as an upgrade for the stock track and just set it where I was going to remount the original traveler. I had raised the traveler on my old PS Flicka and it was a great position for it. Now that I have carefully closed up the holes in my cockpit sole and painted every thing I don't have the heart to put a bunch of holes back in it. As I remember, the stock traveler track did leave something to be desired so I think I will make a "gold cup" of the whole area. Fun! Fair winds, Tom B On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 7:16 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
George and Tom,
We have had a Harken windward sheeting traveller on the cockpit floor for 3 seasons now. Replaced the old pin stop version that was original equipment. That one saw little use as it was a real pain to use. The windward sheeting version gets constant use, sometimes more than the main sheet.
Even though it is only 20 inches or so, that amount of adjustment has a large effect on sail shape. Full width across the seats would be interesting, but at a cost of restricting movement for what I think is the relaxed way many of us sail/cruise these boats.
I have a snap shackle connecting the main sheet cam/block to the traveller car. Have not noticed the main sheet up against the seat edges very much. Probably because the traveller car is normally on center or to windward of center. Had thought I might a strop to raise up the main sheet block, but decided against that. It would then bang the seat edges if slacked.
You do have to secure the windward sheeting car when there is no load on it, such as when motoring. Otherwise it bangs back and forth. We just pull to one side and tie off with a half hitch using the slack control line.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritice. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Has anyone tried adding a traveler to the stern, while still keeping the mainsheet adjustment in the original location at the front of the cockpit? It seems like this could still get most of the adjustability without taking up room in the cockpit? I think an M15 could especially benefit from a traveler, because it would enable higher headstay tension without requiring the main to be sheeted to the center. It might make sense to mostly adjust the traveler instead of the mainsheet when changing course? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
I did exactly what Bill did three years ago, and fully agree with him. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
George and Tom,
We have had a Harken windward sheeting traveller on the cockpit floor for 3 seasons now. Replaced the old pin stop version that was original equipment. That one saw little use as it was a real pain to use. The windward sheeting version gets constant use, sometimes more than the main sheet.
Even though it is only 20 inches or so, that amount of adjustment has a large effect on sail shape. Full width across the seats would be interesting, but at a cost of restricting movement for what I think is the relaxed way many of us sail/cruise these boats.
I have a snap shackle connecting the main sheet cam/block to the traveller car. Have not noticed the main sheet up against the seat edges very much. Probably because the traveller car is normally on center or to windward of center. Had thought I might a strop to raise up the main sheet block, but decided against that. It would then bang the seat edges if slacked.
You do have to secure the windward sheeting car when there is no load on it, such as when motoring. Otherwise it bangs back and forth. We just pull to one side and tie off with a half hitch using the slack control line.
Bill Makin' Time M17 #622
On Oct 4, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritice. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Tom I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway. Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system? George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Tom Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Harken and the $ are quite HI. I am going to be looking at some sites that sell reclaimed parts to see if I can get the & down a little. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
George, Let me know about your "reclaimed sites". I think that is the way to go. There is a place in Seabrook Texas that sells only that. I was there about a month ago and I wish it was a lot closer to where I live because the savings are hugh. Next time I go I will have a "wish list " with me for sure. Tom On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:01 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Harken and the $ are quite HI. I am going to be looking at some sites that sell reclaimed parts to see if I can get the & down a little.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2= gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Tom I have searched the online sites but can not find any information on Traveler Systems. You have to be able to eye ball in a Reclaimed parts place. I am in contact with Wolf Marine in St. Joseph, Michigan driving distance from Valparaiso, IN. They indicated that they have a system in hand that may be a little large for my M15. I am going up soon to take a look at it. If all the pieces are included I may be able to get it fro less than half the cost of new. I will keep you posted. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler George, Let me know about your "reclaimed sites". I think that is the way to go. There is a place in Seabrook Texas that sells only that. I was there about a month ago and I wish it was a lot closer to where I live because the savings are hugh. Next time I go I will have a "wish list " with me for sure. Tom On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:01 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Harken and the $ are quite HI. I am going to be looking at some sites that sell reclaimed parts to see if I can get the & down a little.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2= gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
Ok, George. I have a favorite place I go to even though it is 180 miles away. I will be going there this weekend because I have to go to the town near it anyway. Treasure hunt time! A boom vang and a traveler upgrade perhaps. Tom On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 11:32 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I have searched the online sites but can not find any information on Traveler Systems. You have to be able to eye ball in a Reclaimed parts place. I am in contact with Wolf Marine in St. Joseph, Michigan driving distance from Valparaiso, IN. They indicated that they have a system in hand that may be a little large for my M15. I am going up soon to take a look at it. If all the pieces are included I may be able to get it fro less than half the cost of new. I will keep you posted.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:03 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
George, Let me know about your "reclaimed sites". I think that is the way to go. There is a place in Seabrook Texas that sells only that. I was there about a month ago and I wish it was a lot closer to where I live because the savings are hugh. Next time I go I will have a "wish list " with me for sure. Tom
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 3:01 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Harken and the $ are quite HI. I am going to be looking at some sites that sell reclaimed parts to see if I can get the & down a little.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2= gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo < griemmolo2@gmail.com
wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
You might want to look at Garhauer. They have a traveler system for $275 that probably would be robust enough for an M15. -----Original Message----- From: George R. Iemmolo Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 4:01 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler Tom Thanks for the feedback. I have looked at Harken and the $ are quite HI. I am going to be looking at some sites that sell reclaimed parts to see if I can get the & down a little. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:15 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler Hello George, Lucky layout. Looks like you are good to go with your trans cockpit mainsheet traveler layout. I looked at the Harken site and it is confusing. The parts are very expensive so I would advise you either check out the Harken site which also included parts lists for the various set ups involved but will let you find a close dealer so you can go and talk to them and look at what is available. Better that than dropping a few "Benjamines" on the wrong stuff. Good luck. Tom B On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 10:36 AM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
I looked up the article on the M17 in GOB and can see from the picture on pg 24 that the installation on the m17 would make it difficult to enter the Cabin. On the M15 it appears that the seat height and Cabin sill are more in line and not make it as difficult to step in the Cabin. I am primarily a Day sailor so going in & out of the Cabin is minimized anyway.
Can you send me a list of the part numbers you used to make up your system?
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+griemmolo2=gmail.com@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 2:45 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I don't have any pictures yet. I can send you some once I get the mainsheet reinstalled on the boat. I do believe you have the basic concept though. Full traverse across the cockpit it the most effective way to manage the main but I am willing to trade off some of that to enable me to be able to climb into and out of the cabin, as well as my wife who has arthritic. I estimate that the fiddle block/clam cleat at the bottom of the mainsheet will pretty much allow for a fair lead up to the mast boom. Actually I could simply add a stainless steel shackle between the track car and the fiddle block to gain any height I may need to allow the mainsheet a fair lead. Isn't it fun to mess about in small boats?[?] I am just about ready to start putting mine back together since finishing the topsides painting this week. My whole neighborhood has been watching my progress since I decided to turn my driveway into a boatyard. Maybe I should invite them all to the relaunching? Fair winds, Tom B
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:32 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com> wrote:
Tom
If you have any pictures you can share that would be helpful. I am looking for a list of hardware numbers you use to make up a system.
If I envision your set up it would appear that your Mainsheet would come up against the side of the seats when all the way to one end of the track and limit the amount of movement of the car on the track.
I had a set up on my Pearson 23 with the track on the seats across the entire cockpit and I guess I learned to live with it.
George
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 2:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Traveler
Hi George, I too am redoing my traveler on my M17. The cockpit setup may not be identical to your 15 but after visiting Lenny Coring and seeing his fine "Roil", M17, (written up in "Good Old Boat" magma/Apr). and discussing his traveler arrangement I decided not to run the traveler from cockpit side to cockpit side. His is that way and he said the level the traveler is now makes it a "pain in the ass" to get into the cabin as you have to step above and over it as well as the companionway sill to then step down into the cabin. I plan to elevate my stock track to just under the companionway sill and thru bolt it to a piece of teak which spans the width of the footwall in the cockpit. That way I can close up eight potential leaking holes where the track is thru bolted through the cockpit sole and give the mainsheet a better run up to the boom than with the stock setup. I plan to install a van so having to sheet the mainsail in tightly to flatten it should not be a real problem. I am glad I visited Lenny (a real gentleman there) as I was considering running the track right across the whole cockpit. Good luck, Tom B
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