Re: M_Boats: CDI Furler on M-15
About the foil needing to be straight and flat, CDI says that putting it on the forestay will take care of that if it isn't quite straight. That said, I found that in spite of CDI's suggestion that you need several people around to help straighten and reverse coil it, I found that after it was uncoiled for ten or fifteen minutes it lay straight and flat (no reverse coiling needed) on the floor, where it still is, waiting for some warm(er) weather. Still have to figure out how to get it into (or onto) the car for the trip to the boat .... CDI's warranty is for six years, and covers only hazards at sea (including unseamanlike use and dismastings), but not any abuse of the foil when off the boat, when it must be stored straight and flat at all times. Any kinks or bends that the owner puts in (such as by driving a truck over it) I think are the owner's problem. Rick ************** Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000... 48)
With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering. Thanks Doug Kelch --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
The Wykeham-Martin rollers have always interested me. My intentions were to buy two of these guys if I was ever to go back to headsail rollers. I know a man who runs two of the small Wykeham-Martin units in a cutter configuration on a 16 foot boat. It has always worked flawlessly for him. The thing that appeals to me is that you can reduce sail to a manageable size in a matter of seconds. Not just dowse a headsail and carry on under main alone....but drop the big genny and then roll out the staysl to a more balanced rig licketty split. The downside to such units (the way I see it) is the sails have to be seized to the wire....or rather, you need to have headsails that have (the correct) captive wire. Most sailmakers can modify existing sails or build new sails to this style. Also, you will need a seperate headstay just ahead of the jib roller. There is no foil on this style of roller. This to me is both good and bad. Not having a foil might be considered bad because you cannot just unslot a sail and slide in another (not that this is an easy process or even one you would want to be doing on the water anyway)....just in the sense that you can change options reasonably easily. Not having a foil is good because you can more easily stow the gear when your rig is down. Not having a foil is good because that foil is a huge chunk of stuff. It seems to me that it is overkill is many ways for a wee boat. If you are using wire-in luff sails, changing sails is actually pretty easy. With the sail (to be changed) rolled up and the sheets rolled right up into the sausage, just ease your halyard, unclip at the roller, clip to a padeye temporarily, clip in new sail at the roller, lower halyard, unclip old sail at the halyard swivel, clip in the new sail, tension the halyard, set up new sheets (Or re-use same sheet set up...whatever), stow the old sail, and sail on. Not as easy as a hank on sail. But it is roller furling that has some options and I like that. If I was doing an extended cruise this would be my system of choice. For day sailing and weekend cruising hanked on sails are my choice. Another angle to this is that you are not restricted to the Wykemham-Martin products...Harken makes a modern unit that works exactly the same way. I am quite sure the Harken rig would be less expensive as well. The smaller unit can be had for under $200.US complete. The Wykeham-Martin unit close to that would be closer to $400. plus shipping from the UK. But it is hard to beat that whole solid bronze vibe. ~:0) Anything you might need to know about the Wykemham-Martin gear can be found here: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/articles/wmgear.htm You can buy these Wykemham-Martin units here: http://www.classicmarine.co.uk/product.asp?product=294&cat=79&ph=cat&keyword s=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID= The Harken roller furlers seem least expensive at Mauri Pro... and info and images can be seen here: http://mauriprosailing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=H AR434&Category_Code=SMALLBOATFUR Tim The Frozen Kelowna BC M17 Puff #369 With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering. Thanks Doug Kelch --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1244 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 7:44 PM
The Harken roller furlers link was not working in my last post...... Try just going to http://www.mauriprosailing.com and use the search box with phrase HAR434 That is the model number of the Small Boat Harken furler that would be the correct size for our boats.
Hi Doug, I have had two Wykeham-Martin systems on a small british wooden cutter. Yes, system is simple: You CAN NOT REEF ( if you want to have a usable sail shape), only stow away the sails. With a long bowsprit a real advantage. But on a M-15 or M-17 in my opinion all in all the same funktion as a jib douser. But sometimes it jams - a douser does not. I would not buy it again. Regards, Michael Anderson Doug Kelch schrieb:
With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
Michael and Tim, I agree with both of you when it comes to preferring hanked on jibs for small boats. I am however on the verge of spending money to convert my M15 to a Gaff rig cutter. I love the M15 and this keeps me from selling it for a boat with more strings to pull . I need a roller fuller for the bowsprit and had forgotten about the Harken small boat furler. Tim just saved me some more money I am likely to do a roller on the bowsprit and douser on the staysail. Has anyone else been crazy enough to try a completely different rig on the M15? Thanks Doug Kelch Michael Anderson <michael@anderson.de> wrote: Hi Doug, I have had two Wykeham-Martin systems on a small british wooden cutter. Yes, system is simple: You CAN NOT REEF ( if you want to have a usable sail shape), only stow away the sails. With a long bowsprit a real advantage. But on a M-15 or M-17 in my opinion all in all the same funktion as a jib douser. But sometimes it jams - a douser does not. I would not buy it again. Regards, Michael Anderson Doug Kelch schrieb:
With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
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Hey Doug. I am a huge fan of gaffers. My last boat was gaff rigged. I would never have admitted this out loud, be seeing as you asked.....I had considered a gaff conversion for a 17. Well, I should say I had a few thoughts about how that might work out. Back when I decided to find a 17 to buy I had intended to find a beater. If this was the case, rather than restoring the original rig I was looking at a rig of my own design (I know I know.....sssshhhhh) and by choice it would be a gaffer. Most folks that question the choice of a gaff rig have not sailed one. For all the mystique I have read about, all it really amounts to one 'extra' control line. As for performance....on an old timey gaffer with the longer gaff you will take a hit on how high you can sail. You are shorted about 5 degrees. But for anything down from close hauled and specially off the wind a gaffer rocks. The sail is wonderfully adjustable, trimable and powerful. You may have noticed in recent years that any true performance boat has flat topped main. Basically they have designed in a major batton or short horizontal gaff at the top of the sail that basically cuts the pointy bit off of a standard marconi main. I think of these as a version of what the gaffer is all about.....sort of. Lower center of effort. Other benefits of a gaff rig. The main spar is short. The rigs height is attained with the peaked gaff. Having a shorter main spar means easy rigging and stowing. A seriously wonderful asset. The reason my 17 is stock is that when I actually had the cash and went looking for a 17 to buy....the first one to show up was in pampered condition with options and extras I would never have had otherwise, for a price that was very realistic and located only a days drive from where I am. I should add that I posted my intention to locate a 17 for sale to this list one evening, within three hours the previous owner of our boat answered the call and I was planning a road trip to Portland OR and hour after that. As much as I love a gaffer, this boat would not be converted because it sails so perfectly the way she is. AND....I sail mountain lakes that are long and narrow. The most usual conditions on these lakes is to have the wind running the length of the lake....so you are either way off the wind or full on. I spend a great deal of time hard on the wind....the pointy headed rig works extremely well for the conditions I currently sail in. Cheers, Tim in Frosty Kelowna M17 #369 Puff. .................................................................. Michael and Tim, I agree with both of you when it comes to preferring hanked on jibs for small boats. I am however on the verge of spending money to convert my M15 to a Gaff rig cutter. I love the M15 and this keeps me from selling it for a boat with more strings to pull . I need a roller fuller for the bowsprit and had forgotten about the Harken small boat furler. Tim just saved me some more money I am likely to do a roller on the bowsprit and douser on the staysail. Has anyone else been crazy enough to try a completely different rig on the M15? Thanks Doug Kelch Michael Anderson <michael@anderson.de> wrote: Hi Doug, I have had two Wykeham-Martin systems on a small british wooden cutter. Yes, system is simple: You CAN NOT REEF ( if you want to have a usable sail shape), only stow away the sails. With a long bowsprit a real advantage. But on a M-15 or M-17 in my opinion all in all the same funktion as a jib douser. But sometimes it jams - a douser does not. I would not buy it again. Regards, Michael Anderson Doug Kelch schrieb:
With all this talk about the CDI furler has anyone ever used the Wykeham-Martin Furling Gear? It is a 100 year old design but seems much simpler to install, use, and remove for trailering.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
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