Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom. I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8". Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly. So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8" What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup? Other "build your own" suggestions? I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with. Thanks, Neil
Neil, here's a link to the boom vang I bought from Maui Pro for my M-17: http://tiny.cc/YFm89 It's a great piece of equipment for about $100 -- quite a bit less than the price of much flimsier units sold elsewhere. Gordon On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom.
I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8".
Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly.
So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8"
What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup?
Other "build your own" suggestions?
I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with.
Thanks,
Neil
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A general question about vangs. I realize a vang by definition is rigged on the same pivot point as the boom/gooseneck, so as to keep a steady tension on the leech no matter whether you trim or ease the mainsheet, but with a midboom mainsheet, is one necessary? Or does the vang come into play when the boom is moved further from centerline. Sorry, I'm a newbie... Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Neil, here's a link to the boom vang I bought from Maui Pro for my M-17:
It's a great piece of equipment for about $100 -- quite a bit less than the price of much flimsier units sold elsewhere.
Gordon
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom.
I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8".
Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly.
So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8"
What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup?
Other "build your own" suggestions?
I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with.
Thanks,
Neil
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Joe, A vang isn't necessary, but it does improve sail shape, especially off the wind, even with mid-boom sheeting. Most boats I've sailed and raced have been equipped with one, but Busca doesn't have one and I've opted to not add one in favor of having one less thing to mess with when setting up the boat. If you are interested in eking out every last tenth of a knot of boatspeed, you'd probably want one; if I raced Busca I'd certainly have one. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
A general question about vangs. I realize a vang by definition is rigged on the same pivot point as the boom/gooseneck, so as to keep a steady tension on the leech no matter whether you trim or ease the mainsheet, but with a midboom mainsheet, is one necessary? Or does the vang come into play when the boom is moved further from centerline. Sorry, I'm a newbie... Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Neil, here's a link to the boom vang I bought from Maui Pro for my M- 17:
It's a great piece of equipment for about $100 -- quite a bit less than the price of much flimsier units sold elsewhere.
Gordon
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom.
I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8".
Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly.
So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8"
What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup?
Other "build your own" suggestions?
I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with.
Thanks,
Neil
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Tod, Thanks for the advice. I'm still learning. So I'm still a ways off from eking tenths. I'm still working on whole numbers!! Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Joe,
A vang isn't necessary, but it does improve sail shape, especially off the wind, even with mid-boom sheeting.
Most boats I've sailed and raced have been equipped with one, but Busca doesn't have one and I've opted to not add one in favor of having one less thing to mess with when setting up the boat.
If you are interested in eking out every last tenth of a knot of boatspeed, you'd probably want one; if I raced Busca I'd certainly have one.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
A general question about vangs. I realize a vang by definition is rigged on the same pivot point as the boom/gooseneck, so as to keep a steady tension on the leech no matter whether you trim or ease the mainsheet, but with a midboom mainsheet, is one necessary? Or does the vang come into play when the boom is moved further from centerline. Sorry, I'm a newbie... Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Neil, here's a link to the boom vang I bought from Maui Pro for my M- 17:
It's a great piece of equipment for about $100 -- quite a bit less than the price of much flimsier units sold elsewhere.
Gordon
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom.
I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8".
Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly.
So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8"
What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup?
Other "build your own" suggestions?
I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with.
Thanks,
Neil
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"I'm still learning" Aren't we all? It has been my experience that basic boat-handling proficiency such as tacking smoothly without overdoing it or letting the jib flog and paying attention to general sail trim (are the telltails *constantly* streaming properly?), smooth course alterations (minimal and smooth, slow rudder movement) and proper course does a whole lot more for my speed than most of the sail shape controls. (I've foregone an outhaul and Cunningham, too, controls I would definitely have if I were racing). If you get those other things dialed in, you'll beat the vast majority of the general population of sailors out there. If you want to beat the rest of them, then you'll need to start concerning yourself with those other details. That reminds me of a time when Miss T and I were sailing a few miles up the Chesapeake from the Little Choptank to the Choptank in light air. John opted just to fly his genoa while I decided to jury-rig a spinnaker (boat not set up for spinnaker, but I had brought one from my Thistle). It took a little longer than it would have if the boat had had the proper gear and a lot longer than it would have if she not only had the proper gear but also one or two more hands to help fly her. Meanwhile, John, just paying attention to his course and how his sails were trimmed, pulled well ahead, despite sailing with a cut-down old mainsail. Even after I got the spinnaker up and drawing well, it wasn't nearly enough to recoup the lost ground and John easily beat me to the Choptank despite a run of several miles. The spinnaker just didn't make all that much difference; not enough to make up for the time spent sailing very sloppily while rigging the spinnaker. Another ten miles or so and I might've caught up. Pic from that trip here: http://www.htmills.com/images/CB02-07-ThistleSpin.jpg Don't get me wrong; I'm not boo-hooing sail controls at all. I'm just pointing out that there is a LOT that can be done to improve one's sailing before needing to worry much about them. If you want to know how smooth your tacks are, just get into a tacking duel with another M17, where you are both tacking just as often as you can in close proximity. When you are doing that, you'll quickly see how much ground can be lost with a sloppy tack and you'll see how it isn't so easy to get that jib to smoothly flip over when you are singlehanding, trying to deal with at least three things and two hands simultaneously (tiller and at least two sheets) while watching your next course. Have fun! :-) Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 8:31 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Tod, Thanks for the advice. I'm still learning. So I'm still a ways off from eking tenths. I'm still working on whole numbers!! Joe Seafrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Joe,
A vang isn't necessary, but it does improve sail shape, especially off the wind, even with mid-boom sheeting.
Most boats I've sailed and raced have been equipped with one, but Busca doesn't have one and I've opted to not add one in favor of having one less thing to mess with when setting up the boat.
If you are interested in eking out every last tenth of a knot of boatspeed, you'd probably want one; if I raced Busca I'd certainly have one.
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Joe Murphy Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:32 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
A general question about vangs. I realize a vang by definition is rigged on the same pivot point as the boom/gooseneck, so as to keep a steady tension on the leech no matter whether you trim or ease the mainsheet, but with a midboom mainsheet, is one necessary? Or does the vang come into play when the boom is moved further from centerline. Sorry, I'm a newbie... Joe Seafrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Gilbert" <gordon@financialwriting.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:09 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Boom Vang
Neil, here's a link to the boom vang I bought from Maui Pro for my M- 17:
It's a great piece of equipment for about $100 -- quite a bit less than the price of much flimsier units sold elsewhere.
Gordon
On Sep 2, 2009, at 12:39 PM, ndorf@surfbest.net wrote:
Looking for input on most cost effective boom vang for my 1985 M15, which currently does not have one. The tangs are already on the mast and boom.
I was looking on the Harken site and also West Marine. These things can get expensive, especially when moving from those using up to 1/4" line to 3/8".
Hoping to get away with spending less than $100 for something functional but user-friendly.
So, any suggestions? Seems like the design shown as 4:1 Fiddle on the Harken web page is what I probably need, but will 1/4" line (parts 2655 and 2658) be sufficient (and comfortable) to use, or do I need to go 3/8"
What about the West Marine model 380330 Vang - Mini? Anyone have experience with that setup?
Other "build your own" suggestions?
I would love to see a pic of what the original Montgomery setup was or even what the new Montgomery 15s are being shipped with.
Thanks,
Neil
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