Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something Sent from my iPhone
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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How did you prep the area? On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Before using the product I gave the hull a thoro detergent and scrubbing to remove loose dirt. The product said that a light oxidation could be left in place. They were correct. Yes, as just mentioned, I think the product is now NewGlass 2. It also has a chemical stripper available to remove the old should you ever need to. Apply carefully and smoothly. Try to work off a wet edge whenever possible and work continuously to a corner or break in the hull design. Using their remover required a lot of remover and lots of clean rags. Best to get it right the first time, which is easy to do anyway. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:11 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
How did you prep the area?
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Wow. As always , impressed with the wealth of info from Monte owners group. Thank you. Ed Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Before using the product I gave the hull a thoro detergent and scrubbing to remove loose dirt. The product said that a light oxidation could be left in place. They were correct. Yes, as just mentioned, I think the product is now NewGlass 2. It also has a chemical stripper available to remove the old should you ever need to. Apply carefully and smoothly. Try to work off a wet edge whenever possible and work continuously to a corner or break in the hull design. Using their remover required a lot of remover and lots of clean rags. Best to get it right the first time, which is easy to do anyway.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:11 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
How did you prep the area?
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Don't know about all them new-fangled restorers. if they are a coating, they might be pretty temporary. Be aware that I don't claim to know what I'm talking about here. I've always used a big, circular polisher, and use the edge of the pad, and don't cross the strakes with it so that it won't wear away the gel on the edges. it's important that it's a regular polisher, not a grinder which turns much faster, so that heat will be minimal. Keep it moving but be aware of the dangers of heat generated by the polishing. Gelcoat is homogenous in that it's the same all the way thru, unlike some auto paints, especially LPU, where the tough shiny part goes to the surface while setting up. 3M heavy duty polishing compound is as good as anything for the first app, but you'll need to go back over with something finer and shinier. The polishing pads easiest to find no days are of foam, and they work OK, but I still like the older wool pads. Put the polishing compound on the boat; not on the pad. The idea is to use the heavy duty to remove the outer layer of gel, then a lighter compound to shine it up. Maybe the reason that the older gelcoats keep their shine better than the new is that the newer gels are applied much thinner than the old. Older gelcoats were applied with a thickness of about 12 mils, otherwise the gel would "creep", which means that the curing resin would etch in and soften the gel, which would then shrink as the resin went off and separate from the mold surface and crinkle up. Ugly as sin. The newer gelcoats don't seem to want to creep, and can be applied much thinner. Again, this is my opinionated opinion, and the salesmen I've talked to play dumb on the problem. jerry ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 9:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration Wow. As always , impressed with the wealth of info from Monte owners group. Thank you. Ed Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Before using the product I gave the hull a thoro detergent and scrubbing to remove loose dirt. The product said that a light oxidation could be left in place. They were correct. Yes, as just mentioned, I think the product is now NewGlass 2. It also has a chemical stripper available to remove the old should you ever need to. Apply carefully and smoothly. Try to work off a wet edge whenever possible and work continuously to a corner or break in the hull design. Using their remover required a lot of remover and lots of clean rags. Best to get it right the first time, which is easy to do anyway.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:11 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
How did you prep the area?
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Thanks, Jerry. Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2020, at 10:34 AM, jerry montgomery <jmbn1@outlook.com> wrote:
Don't know about all them new-fangled restorers. if they are a coating, they might be pretty temporary. Be aware that I don't claim to know what I'm talking about here.
I've always used a big, circular polisher, and use the edge of the pad, and don't cross the strakes with it so that it won't wear away the gel on the edges. it's important that it's a regular polisher, not a grinder which turns much faster, so that heat will be minimal. Keep it moving but be aware of the dangers of heat generated by the polishing. Gelcoat is homogenous in that it's the same all the way thru, unlike some auto paints, especially LPU, where the tough shiny part goes to the surface while setting up.
3M heavy duty polishing compound is as good as anything for the first app, but you'll need to go back over with something finer and shinier. The polishing pads easiest to find no days are of foam, and they work OK, but I still like the older wool pads. Put the polishing compound on the boat; not on the pad.
The idea is to use the heavy duty to remove the outer layer of gel, then a lighter compound to shine it up.
Maybe the reason that the older gelcoats keep their shine better than the new is that the newer gels are applied much thinner than the old. Older gelcoats were applied with a thickness of about 12 mils, otherwise the gel would "creep", which means that the curing resin would etch in and soften the gel, which would then shrink as the resin went off and separate from the mold surface and crinkle up. Ugly as sin. The newer gelcoats don't seem to want to creep, and can be applied much thinner. Again, this is my opinionated opinion, and the salesmen I've talked to play dumb on the problem.
jerry
________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 9:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration
Wow. As always , impressed with the wealth of info from Monte owners group. Thank you. Ed
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:18 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Before using the product I gave the hull a thoro detergent and scrubbing to remove loose dirt. The product said that a light oxidation could be left in place. They were correct. Yes, as just mentioned, I think the product is now NewGlass 2. It also has a chemical stripper available to remove the old should you ever need to. Apply carefully and smoothly. Try to work off a wet edge whenever possible and work continuously to a corner or break in the hull design. Using their remover required a lot of remover and lots of clean rags. Best to get it right the first time, which is easy to do anyway.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:11 AM Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
How did you prep the area?
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Here's the site I think: https://newglass2.com/ Looks like it is now version "2" in the name, but the description is the same. cheers, John On 12/28/20 9:02 AM, Paul Baker wrote:
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Looks like another similar product, different brand, "A-Glaze" (mentioned in various boat forums): https://www.marineaglaze.com/aglaze-marine-sealant/ On 12/28/20 9:08 AM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote:
Here's the site I think:
Looks like it is now version "2" in the name, but the description is the same.
cheers, John
On 12/28/20 9:02 AM, Paul Baker wrote:
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Paul: Yeah ... seems I & Tom.miss-remebered the name. 😆. Try NewGlass - https://newglass2.com/ :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 9:03 AM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> wrote:
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
Over the years I’ve used Aqua Buff 2000 Quart Available on Amazon as well. After buffing we would mix some yellow wax with Aqua Buff 2000 and It would shine like new. Bob Sent from my iPad On Dec 28, 2020, at 9:11 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote: Paul: Yeah ... seems I & Tom.miss-remebered the name. 😆. Try NewGlass - https://newglass2.com/ :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 9:03 AM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> wrote: I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote: On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
When I dealt with NuGlass a few years ago it was run by a brother/sister team in Florida. Very pleasant to work with but, perhaps, they have now gone the way of many small businesses. I do believe in the liquid polymer science and auto supply stores have several similar products available. Present day chemistry as displayed by Jamestown and other boating gear outlets are amazing also. I have no doubt that similar and newer low maintenance high result products are now available. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:03 AM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> wrote:
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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It looks like the name has been changed and reformulated. The new name is New Glass 2. Here's an article from some years back that tested several. They have a brief mention of the update for Nuglass. https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/paints/practical-sailor-se... Here's the website:https://newglass2.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 12:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Pays to have a smart wife. I previously posted NuGlass, NewGlass 2, was on Amazon for the kit $62.95 but $49 shipping. My wife found this on Amazon from a different company for free shipping at same price. NewGlass 2 Already received it. Charlie A Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Skip Campion via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
It looks like the name has been changed and reformulated. The new name is New Glass 2.
Here's an article from some years back that tested several. They have a brief mention of the update for Nuglass. https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/paints/practical-sailor-se... Here's the website:https://newglass2.com/
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 12:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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It sure does! On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 2:37 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Pays to have a smart wife. I previously posted NuGlass, NewGlass 2, was on Amazon for the kit $62.95 but $49 shipping. My wife found this on Amazon from a different company for free shipping at same price. NewGlass 2
Already received it.
Charlie A
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 12:17 PM, Skip Campion via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
It looks like the name has been changed and reformulated. The new name is New Glass 2.
Here's an article from some years back that tested several. They have a brief mention of the update for Nuglass.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/paints/practical-sailor-se...
Here's the website:https://newglass2.com/
-----Original Message----- From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 12:02 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration
I just Googled Nuglass. Nothing came up.
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:37 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Hi EdI did blister repair above the water line on my former M-17 (port rear corner on side, think it was from shrink wrap left on for a couple years but that was before I bought it) and non skid on my former M-23 on the cabin top where the mast tabernacle area had to be completely rebuilt due to water intrusion and balsa rot. For the M-17 I purchased gel coat online with the appropriate chemicals and sprayed it using a spray gun like you can get at Home Depot for a compressor system. I have a dual tank compressor that works well for spraying. That turned out really well but of course was a bit of work and learning curve. The white gel coat matched my 1977 hull really well.For the non skid I used kiwi grip on the cabin top after putting in foam in place of the balsa and putting a skin on the upper part of the skin foam sandwich. The kiwi grip tan again matched my M-23 which was kind of an off white tan so again just really lucky. The repair worked great and all I did was use the kiwi grip instructions. If any of this can help please contact me directly and we can chat more. ThanksRobbin -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2020 11:36 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Gel coat restoration On my 1977 Monty 17 I used a liquid polymer called NuGlass. It goes on with a chamois applicator which is a piece of gray pipe foam insulation wrapped with a piece of chamois available at Walmart. I put mine about 4" wide so one swipe of it along each plank on the Monty 17 left a complete covering for that strake. If your gelcoat needs only a bit of sanding to remove the oxidation this is the stuff to use. I applied about five coats on the hull. It dries so fast that when you finish the first coat you can start all over again with the next coat. I started from the top and worked down so any drips can be wiped up as you go down the hull. It took about 45 minutes to apply the five coats. It renders a deep shine that is hard and lasts for about three years. Then just wipe on more right over the old. There is a picture of the before and after on my boat as I did one side at a time. The MSOG photosite has my boat pictures, named AS-IS. I have waxed and buffed before and this treatment gives as good as or better results and is very quick! Full disclosure, I have no direct business contact with this particular company just a happy customer. Fair winds, Tom B On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 10:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Ed: IMO leave the non-skid sections unwaxed as you don't want them slippery. Give them.a.goid scrubbing with a semi-stiff nylon brush and call them done. I've read many good reports about NuGlass and besides Tom I believe Larry Yake used something similar to seal CORN DOG after buffing out her gel coat. NuGlass does require yearly maintenance coat(s) and if left unmaintained can result in a mess. I've always used 3Ms combo buffing compound/wax called 'Marine Restorer and Wax' - https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0000AY65X Worked well to clean and budf on a shine. I then kept maintenance coats using (no buffing compound so not to remove more gel coat) 3M's 'Marine Ultra Performance Paste Wax'. This may be discontinued as 3M is selling a new boat 'finish system'. 'Perfect-It Boat Wax' seems to be equivalent - https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MRY4K2E/ I'm always nervous using power tools with buffing compound as it is REALLY easy to burn off the gel coat on the lapstrake's edges. For this reason I've always hand applied/removed buffing compound. For wax (ie, no buffing agents) power tools can be safely used. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 8:06 AM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
I checked Amazon for NuGlass 2. With buffer $62 but the kicker was $49 shipping. Still looking. For an idea of how much is needed for M17, I know depends on state of boat. Mine is a 2005 and look pretty good. Bought it two years where it had been on Chesapeake. I keep it inside storage. Charlie A Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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One quart will do two Monty 17's about five coats each. Yes, shipping is ridiculous. On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 4:17 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I checked Amazon for NuGlass 2. With buffer $62 but the kicker was $49 shipping. Still looking. For an idea of how much is needed for M17, I know depends on state of boat. Mine is a 2005 and look pretty good. Bought it two years where it had been on Chesapeake. I keep it inside storage.
Charlie A
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On Dec 28, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something
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Charles: Unless something significantly bad happened to your boat's gel coat an '05 should be good using 3Ms combo buffing compound/wax called 'Marine Restorer and Wax' - https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0000AY65X Works well to clean and put on a shine. I then kept maintenance coats, applied in spring and fall, using (no buffing compound so not to remove more gel coat) 3M's 'Marine Ultra Performance Paste Wax'. This may be discontinued as 3M is selling a new boat 'finish system'. 'Perfect-It Boat Wax' seems to be equivalent - https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01MRY4K2E/ The above worked great on my '84 M15 and '83 M17. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 PM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I checked Amazon for NuGlass 2. With buffer $62 but the kicker was $49 shipping. Still looking. For an idea of how much is needed for M17, I know depends on state of boat. Mine is a 2005 and look pretty good. Bought it two years where it had been on Chesapeake. I keep it inside storage.
Charlie A
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