I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
Kevin. Sit on the cabin top with legs hanging into the cabin. Fast, easy and safe. You can see an example of me doing this in this video - https://youtu.be/_LWNFC0M36g Routing main halyard aft complicates reefing as you need to be at the mast to do the task quickly - in order to pull down the sail and set the tack and then effectively pull the clew line. The halyard to lead aft is for the jib. This so you can easily adjust the headsail's luff tension (less for light wind and more as the wind increases). You need a block at the base of the mast to lead the halyard outboard. You then need a cheek block set to send the line aft outboard the slider hatch. At the aft end of the house you have a winch and cleat. You can see this set-up in the attached picture. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:34 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < kevin.brackney@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
Curious to learn more about the prefeeder setup your video shows; have you or others set em up on a 15? The bottom foot of the track in my mast is wide enough the bolt rope often kinks and rides up the track unless you tend it closely- this looks like a better solution than going at the mast w a rubber hammer to narrrow the track a smidge- something I’ve come near trying… On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 7:10 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Kevin.
Sit on the cabin top with legs hanging into the cabin. Fast, easy and safe.
You can see an example of me doing this in this video -
Routing main halyard aft complicates reefing as you need to be at the mast to do the task quickly - in order to pull down the sail and set the tack and then effectively pull the clew line.
The halyard to lead aft is for the jib. This so you can easily adjust the headsail's luff tension (less for light wind and more as the wind increases).
You need a block at the base of the mast to lead the halyard outboard. You then need a cheek block set to send the line aft outboard the slider hatch. At the aft end of the house you have a winch and cleat. You can see this set-up in the attached picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:34 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < kevin.brackney@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
Alex. The Ballenger feeder will not work with the older spars on Jerry built boats. The Spinlock may work ... I don't know as I've never used one in a old Mboat spar. I never have had issue feeding a bolt rope main without a luff feeder. I direct the luff with my left hand and pull the halyard with my right. Took some practice. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site! On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 7:36 AM Alex Conley <conley.alex@gmail.com> wrote:
Curious to learn more about the prefeeder setup your video shows; have you or others set em up on a 15? The bottom foot of the track in my mast is wide enough the bolt rope often kinks and rides up the track unless you tend it closely- this looks like a better solution than going at the mast w a rubber hammer to narrrow the track a smidge- something I’ve come near trying…
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 7:10 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Kevin.
Sit on the cabin top with legs hanging into the cabin. Fast, easy and safe.
You can see an example of me doing this in this video -
Routing main halyard aft complicates reefing as you need to be at the mast to do the task quickly - in order to pull down the sail and set the tack and then effectively pull the clew line.
The halyard to lead aft is for the jib. This so you can easily adjust the headsail's luff tension (less for light wind and more as the wind increases).
You need a block at the base of the mast to lead the halyard outboard. You then need a cheek block set to send the line aft outboard the slider hatch. At the aft end of the house you have a winch and cleat. You can see this set-up in the attached picture.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 4:34 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < kevin.brackney@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
-- :: Dave Scobie :: SV SWALLOW - https://sv-swallow.com :: Montgomery 6'8" #650 :: Truck camper - https://truckpopupcamper.wordpress.com/ :: Ramblings - https://scoobsramblings.wordpress.com/ :: former M17 owner #375 SWEET PEA - https://m17-375.com/ <http://www.m17-375.webs.com/> :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred
I can post a few pictures of my main halyard to cockpit setup in a day or two, as I am about to splash 'Pajarita' in Siltcoos lake. It's basically as Dave describes for jib halyard. Turning block to cheek block to camcleat. But on starboard side, for main halyard, and no winch. My experience is different than Dave's, quite happy I ran main halyard to cockpit. Still have to deal with getting forward enough to do the tack reef line, but at least everything else including the main halyard is quick & easy from cockpit both up & down. I have better position to raise the main, and quicker to de-power/drop it, from a safer location in the cockpit rather than having to get up on cabin top or straddling the cabin interior. My clew reefing I've posted before, lines (including unreefed outhaul) run forward along boom to clam cleats. Everything but the tack reefing line is in reach from front of cockpit. I can reach the tack reefing line by leaning over/on the cabin (or as you describe straddling the companionway & V-berth if there's no hatch boards in). cheers, John On 9/10/21 4:34 AM, Kevin Brackneyesggbf* wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
some pictures of my m15 routing of both main and jib lines. On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 9:33 AM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I can post a few pictures of my main halyard to cockpit setup in a day or two, as I am about to splash 'Pajarita' in Siltcoos lake.
It's basically as Dave describes for jib halyard. Turning block to cheek block to camcleat. But on starboard side, for main halyard, and no winch.
My experience is different than Dave's, quite happy I ran main halyard to cockpit. Still have to deal with getting forward enough to do the tack reef line, but at least everything else including the main halyard is quick & easy from cockpit both up & down. I have better position to raise the main, and quicker to de-power/drop it, from a safer location in the cockpit rather than having to get up on cabin top or straddling the cabin interior.
My clew reefing I've posted before, lines (including unreefed outhaul) run forward along boom to clam cleats. Everything but the tack reefing line is in reach from front of cockpit. I can reach the tack reefing line by leaning over/on the cabin (or as you describe straddling the companionway & V-berth if there's no hatch boards in).
cheers, John
On 9/10/21 4:34 AM, Kevin Brackneyesggbf* wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 9:54 AM carlos navarro <chisailor1@gmail.com> wrote:
some pictures of my m15 routing of both main and jib lines.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 9:33 AM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I can post a few pictures of my main halyard to cockpit setup in a day or two, as I am about to splash 'Pajarita' in Siltcoos lake.
It's basically as Dave describes for jib halyard. Turning block to cheek block to camcleat. But on starboard side, for main halyard, and no winch.
My experience is different than Dave's, quite happy I ran main halyard to cockpit. Still have to deal with getting forward enough to do the tack reef line, but at least everything else including the main halyard is quick & easy from cockpit both up & down. I have better position to raise the main, and quicker to de-power/drop it, from a safer location in the cockpit rather than having to get up on cabin top or straddling the cabin interior.
My clew reefing I've posted before, lines (including unreefed outhaul) run forward along boom to clam cleats. Everything but the tack reefing line is in reach from front of cockpit. I can reach the tack reefing line by leaning over/on the cabin (or as you describe straddling the companionway & V-berth if there's no hatch boards in).
cheers, John
On 9/10/21 4:34 AM, Kevin Brackneyesggbf* wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Andrei, These may help - see attached. The deck organizers are Harken Cruising double organizers - reasonable price, high quality and THEY FIT! The organizers mount as to bisect the angle of the turn at the halyards (+/- 45 degrees) The stoppers are mounted ahead of the winch(es) to allow the winch drum /line to align with the halyard. There is not alot of room - layout the parts and check for alignment using the halyards under tension to allow for a fair lead. I may have other pictures - I will look. Good luck. GO M-17 'Tiny Purple Fishes' sail # 354 On Fri, Sep 10, 2021 at 4:34 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < kevin.brackney@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm interested in routing control lines to cockpit, but the hatch is interfering with the design. How have other M17 owners delt with this problem? Currently I have to stand with one foot on companion way and the other on the vee berth to work the control lines. In bad weather this exposes the cabin to water and it's somewhat unstable. Thanks for your help.
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