My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link : _Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boa... 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769) One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??) someone go rescue this one- Thanks! 'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,' (I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.) Nice winter project. GO
can you tell where that bjubbie is? On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link : _Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boa... 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769) One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??) someone go rescue this one- Thanks! 'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,' (I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.) Nice winter project. GO
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough! Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay can you tell where that bjubbie is? On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link : _Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boa... 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769) One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??) someone go rescue this one- Thanks! 'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,' (I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.) Nice winter project. GO
Interesting stern pulpit. On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying... Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure! Peace, Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe <Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
Tim, No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several boats, the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not just the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around to small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four feet is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe < Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
I agree totally Thomas. My comments were not in lieu of me looking at this boat for purchase but were meant as yours were, as a friendly reminder to others that this particular M17 will most likely not be an easy project. I too, as I mentioned, have completely restored several boats and such, the last of which is a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser that's nearly ready for prime time, so I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and I have noooo interest in another ;)) Peace and Wind Tim Montgomery 17 Flush Deck Nor'Sea 27 Hobie 21 SC On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim, No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several boats, the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not just the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around to small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four feet is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe < Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
Hi Tim, Did not mean to lecture. Sorry. Just "been there done that", had to sell the t-shirt, to pay for something to finish it. Enjoy your 21. Sounds good. Fair winds, Tom B. On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I agree totally Thomas. My comments were not in lieu of me looking at this boat for purchase but were meant as yours were, as a friendly reminder to others that this particular M17 will most likely not be an easy project. I too, as I mentioned, have completely restored several boats and such, the last of which is a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser that's nearly ready for prime time, so I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and I have noooo interest in another ;))
Peace and Wind
Tim Montgomery 17 Flush Deck Nor'Sea 27 Hobie 21 SC
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim, No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several boats, the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not just the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around to small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four feet is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe < Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
Thanks, Tom, not taken as lecture just "been there done that" brothers! On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 1:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tim, Did not mean to lecture. Sorry. Just "been there done that", had to sell the t-shirt, to pay for something to finish it. Enjoy your 21. Sounds good. Fair winds, Tom B.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I agree totally Thomas. My comments were not in lieu of me looking at this boat for purchase but were meant as yours were, as a friendly reminder to others that this particular M17 will most likely not be an easy project. I too, as I mentioned, have completely restored several boats and such, the last of which is a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser that's nearly ready for prime time, so I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and I have noooo interest in another ;))
Peace and Wind
Tim Montgomery 17 Flush Deck Nor'Sea 27 Hobie 21 SC
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim, No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several boats, the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not just the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around to small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four feet is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe < Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
On 10/25/2016 12:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Tim, One thing you didn't mention, but that plays a big roll in anything involving a boat, is: how much knowledge do you have about working with fiberglass; wood working; metal working; painting; rigging; engines? Are you competent in these areas - with tools and know-how - or are you a beginner? How good are you at estimating the condition of the boat; and are you aware of the potential pitfalls? If you are a relative beginner you'll rapidly find yourself inundated by problems you can't handle; don't know what to do about it; and need outside assistance. This rapidly gets very expensive. If you are knowledgeable then the question is, do you really want to put in the hours needed to resurrect a boat? That may be a financial matter; it's all you can afford. Connie
Hi Tim, Did not mean to lecture. Sorry. Just "been there done that", had to sell the t-shirt, to pay for something to finish it. Enjoy your 21. Sounds good. Fair winds, Tom B.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I agree totally Thomas. My comments were not in lieu of me looking at this boat for purchase but were meant as yours were, as a friendly reminder to others that this particular M17 will most likely not be an easy project. I too, as I mentioned, have completely restored several boats and such, the last of which is a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser that's nearly ready for prime time, so I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and I have noooo interest in another ;))
Peace and Wind
Tim Montgomery 17 Flush Deck Nor'Sea 27 Hobie 21 SC
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim, No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several boats, the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not just the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around to small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four feet is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major structural job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed keel ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project. Just saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe < Thomas@thomashoweonline.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one point, the book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the forward opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll take a little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really nice Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan Susman Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay
can you tell where that bjubbie is?
On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link :
_Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & Boat Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/ Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769)
One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??)
someone go rescue this one- Thanks!
'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,'
(I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.)
Nice winter project.
GO
Hey Connie, I'm definitely not a beginner in any sense of the concept but I appreciate your thoughts. I have access to all the necessary tools, knowledge and have plenty of hard earned skills. I also have *zero *interest in this boat we're talking about. My restorations are done and it's sailing time! It seems it's completely not coming accross clear that I've already completed two huge full restoration projects on a 1970's Montgomery 17 Flush Deck, "66", and a much bigger job in the Nor'Sea 27, "Dark Star". Been there and done that turned up to 11! Cheers to all Tim On Tuesday, October 25, 2016, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/25/2016 12:04 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Tim,
One thing you didn't mention, but that plays a big roll in anything involving a boat, is: how much knowledge do you have about working with fiberglass; wood working; metal working; painting; rigging; engines? Are you competent in these areas - with tools and know-how - or are you a beginner? How good are you at estimating the condition of the boat; and are you aware of the potential pitfalls?
If you are a relative beginner you'll rapidly find yourself inundated by problems you can't entry or handle; don't know what to do about it; and need outside assistance. This rapidly gets very expensive.
If you are knowledgeable then the question is, do you really want to put in the hours needed to resurrect a boat? That may be a financial matter; it's all you can afford.
Connie
Hi Tim, Did not mean to lecture. Sorry. Just "been there done that", had to sell the t-shirt, to pay for something to finish it. Enjoy your 21. Sounds good. Fair winds, Tom B.
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I agree totally Thomas. My comments were not in lieu of me looking at this
boat for purchase but were meant as yours were, as a friendly reminder to others that this particular M17 will most likely not be an easy project. I too, as I mentioned, have completely restored several boats and such, the last of which is a Hobie 21 Sport Cruiser that's nearly ready for prime time, so I know how deep the rabbit hole can go and I have noooo interest in another ;))
Peace and Wind
Tim Montgomery 17 Flush Deck Nor'Sea 27 Hobie 21 SC
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Tim,
No matter how bad it looks, it will be worse. After rehabing several
boats,
the latest a Monty 17, the better boat you buy up front conditionwise the less time and money you will need to be able to sail it. And it is not
just
the actual doing of the work. It is amazing how much time and effort go into simply procuring the materials, not to mention having to become an inorganic chemist to apply the right chemicals, mixed correctly, in the right order to obtain the results you want. Then a fin keel sailboat is neither fish nor fowl. You cannot trailer launch it so you have to sling launch it so you either have find a place with a handy crane or plan to moor the boat in one area which negates having a boat you can tow around
to
small lakes, etc. Then too a 17footer that draws what looks like four
feet
is also an anomaly. Anyplace you sail will per force get a lot smaller since you will not be able to explore anything like shallow water locations. Just saying.🤔
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
Needs a trailer just to get it out of the storage area ;), major
structural
job in the keel and at best logarithmic scale of hours to get the rest. Sails sheets halyards standing rigging oh my... I agree that the fixed
keel
ones are cool but that's no small or low cost (hours or $$$$) project.
Just
saying...
Going in eyes open though it could be a great boat for sure!
Peace,
Tim J Total restoration of M17 flushdeck & Nor'Sea 27, almost 2.5 & 4.5 yrs respectively, but I'm slow and working full time
On Monday, October 24, 2016, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>
wrote:
Interesting stern pulpit.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Thomas Howe <
Thomas@thomashoweonline.com
<javascript:;>> wrote:
It's in Fresno. Looks like someone really cared about it at one > point,
the
> book racks and the marine head are good indicators. I noticed the > forward
opening portholes on the house, and the butchered rudder. It'll > take
a
little more than a wax job, but someone could end up with a really
> nice
Montgomery for not a ton of dough!
> > Thomas Howe > Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com <javascript:;> > O > --------(\ ---------- > ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ > ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats- <javascript:;> > bounces@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Stan > Susman
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 12:47 AM
> To: GILASAILR@aol.com <javascript:;>; For and about Montgomery > Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 Fied keel on eBay > > can you tell where that bjubbie is? > > On Sunday, October 23, 2016 7:09 PM, GILASAILR--- via > montgomery_boats
> <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > My brother-in-law on Long Island sent me this link : > > _Click here: Sailboat 17ft Montgomery 1973 with Trailer, Motor & > Boat
Stands Added More Pics_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/
> Sailboat-17ft-Montgomery-1973-with-Trailer-Motor-Boat- > Stands-/282226898769?forcerrptr=true&hash=item41b608b > 751:g:c6UAAOSwA3dYCN8r&item=282226898769) > > One of the rare fixed keel models - (Roland - need another one??) > > someone go rescue this one- Thanks! > > 'good wax job and you will have a fine boat,' > > (I couldn't resist - call me an ___---- if you want.) > > Nice winter project. > > GO > > > > >
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