I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
Put latches on the lockers and keep em latched when sailing. GARY ~~~~_/) ~~~~ Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. On Mar 9, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> wrote:
I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that.
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
Actual cockpit accessible latches and thicker gasket material on the hatch rims that compresses when you latch down the lids would be a good start, as well as barrelbolts on at least the bottom hatch slide to keep it in place in dicey conditions. I plan to put a permanently mounted Whale bilge pump in my cockpit because the wind conditions you describe here are blowing along the coast down here in Corpus Christi 75% of the time in the summer. I am also considering a couple of two inch scuppers set about six inches above the cockpit sole with flapper valves on the seaward end to dump a full cockpit quickly down that low where the existing floor scupper will handle the rest while a newly chaste captain proves once again that the best bilge pump is a scared man with a bucket. You might consider a method for dumping the jib as well as the main when necessary. Good luck, you already have the wind. Tom B M17 #258 On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that.
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
I know it sounds dorky, but I wonder if there is some way to use hefty velcro strips to hold the hatches shut for those rare emergencies. My 17 is in storage so I can't check out the geography, but those hook and loop rigs can do wonders in the right application. On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Thomas wrote:
search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out
I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that.
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
I don't think it sounds dorky at all Tom. I was also thinking a hefty magnet arrangement might work. t t _/\_ On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
I know it sounds dorky, but I wonder if there is some way to use hefty velcro strips to hold the hatches shut for those rare emergencies. My 17 is in storage so I can't check out the geography, but those hook and loop rigs can do wonders in the right application.
On Mar 9, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Thomas wrote:
search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out
I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that.
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
Than you for that link Thomas. I've been wondering what kind of latch might work given that the edge faces on my M17's locker lids are way too narrow to fit a normal hasp-type fitting (they're really not faces at all, just radiuses that end as soon as they hit 90 degrees). Some of those slam latches look like they might do the trick. I take it these are usually flush mounted on the locker lids and latch on a fitting attached to the inside of the locker wall. Has anyone actually installed these? Are they uncomfortable to sit on? Clearly, a little water would pool in them, but is is enough to be a nuisance? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas" <toboyle01@comcast.net> To: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:46:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
I used regular s/s hasps with stainless weldable tabbed backed tee nuts from McMaster Carr. #8 sized. Easy Peasy "I like easy, because hard is so difficult". Mitch M-17 656 ________________________________ From: "swwheatley@comcast.net" <swwheatley@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out Than you for that link Thomas. I've been wondering what kind of latch might work given that the edge faces on my M17's locker lids are way too narrow to fit a normal hasp-type fitting (they're really not faces at all, just radiuses that end as soon as they hit 90 degrees). Some of those slam latches look like they might do the trick. I take it these are usually flush mounted on the locker lids and latch on a fitting attached to the inside of the locker wall. Has anyone actually installed these? Are they uncomfortable to sit on? Clearly, a little water would pool in them, but is is enough to be a nuisance? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas" <toboyle01@comcast.net> To: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:46:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
That wouldn't work well on my M17 # 215. The locker lids on your boat have a fairly wide edge face where you can fasten something. For all intents and purposes, the locker lids on my oldster have no edge face at all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Carnes" <mitch_carnes@sbcglobal.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 2:34:28 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out I used regular s/s hasps with stainless weldable tabbed backed tee nuts from McMaster Carr. #8 sized. Easy Peasy "I like easy, because hard is so difficult". Mitch M-17 656 ________________________________ From: "swwheatley@comcast.net" <swwheatley@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out Than you for that link Thomas. I've been wondering what kind of latch might work given that the edge faces on my M17's locker lids are way too narrow to fit a normal hasp-type fitting (they're really not faces at all, just radiuses that end as soon as they hit 90 degrees). Some of those slam latches look like they might do the trick. I take it these are usually flush mounted on the locker lids and latch on a fitting attached to the inside of the locker wall. Has anyone actually installed these? Are they uncomfortable to sit on? Clearly, a little water would pool in them, but is is enough to be a nuisance? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas" <toboyle01@comcast.net> To: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:46:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that. Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
That looks the best Mitch. Think I will follow that example. McMaster Carr has some neat stuff. Since I have to rebed my M17 windows I may buy some plastic from them (polycarbonate) and square the existing openings slightly and cover them with some of that plastic and then cut in a couple of opening ports. If the rain ever stops here I will tackle the hull with some of the Glass 2 gelcoat restorer. I used something like it a while back and the results were gratifying. Tom B M17, #258 78' On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Mitch Carnes <mitch_carnes@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
I used regular s/s hasps with stainless weldable tabbed backed tee nuts from McMaster Carr. #8 sized. Easy Peasy "I like easy, because hard is so difficult". Mitch M-17 656
________________________________ From: "swwheatley@comcast.net" <swwheatley@comcast.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out
Than you for that link Thomas. I've been wondering what kind of latch might work given that the edge faces on my M17's locker lids are way too narrow to fit a normal hasp-type fitting (they're really not faces at all, just radiuses that end as soon as they hit 90 degrees). Some of those slam latches look like they might do the trick. I take it these are usually flush mounted on the locker lids and latch on a fitting attached to the inside of the locker wall. Has anyone actually installed these? Are they uncomfortable to sit on? Clearly, a little water would pool in them, but is is enough to be a nuisance?
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From: "Thomas" <toboyle01@comcast.net> To: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 5:46:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: How to keep water out
search for "perko flush slam latches" and look at the images ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald McNeil" <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, March 9, 2014 11:44:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: How to keep water out
I was participating in the races with the AZ Lake Pleasant Yacht Club on Saturday. With winds of 14-16 and gusts to 20, were doing everything pretty well with PFD's on, the companion way closed up, the main reefed and the gene at about 90%. We made it to the windward mark comfortably, then on the down wind run we opened the gene to 150% and that was fine as well. But we were then over confident and wanting to compete, so we kept the gene out for the windward run to the finish line. Then we go hit by a gust and before we could release the sheets our mast nearly touched down and we took on a good amount of water. I don't know how much of our sail hit the water, I was too busy scrambling to stay in the boat, but I know we were nearly vertical for a moment. After coming back up the water was below the top of the bench seats and companion way, but after bailing out we realized we had a lot of water in every locker and the bilge was full. I don't think the lockers swung open especially not all 3 and I do have some cheep weather stripping on them which creates a little suction when opening them, so I don't know how we got so much water inside them. Please let me know if anyone can advise on best ways to seal the lockers. I'm also considering adding a bilge and a cockpit pump if anyone can advise on that.
Thanks, Ron McNeil M17/Jackpot/#675
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