Hi, I just joined the mailing list and would like to introduce myself. My name is Steve and I currently own a 1981 Pearson P26 [anyone interested in buying her?]. Unfortunately, my firstmate [and lifemate] has gotten increasingly uncomfortable on the water and I am not prepared to single-hand the P26. We sail on the Great South Bay on the south shore of Long Island, NY. Winds there are typically around 10-12 knots during the summer. However the bay is shallow in many spots and you have to watch where you're going. I was surfing the web for daysailers that I could single-hand and trailer when I came across the Montgomery site. Looks ideal to me. I would like to get a closer look at an M15 or M17 is there is an owner in the area. I should add that I spend part of every week [M-Th] in Rhose Island, in case there are any owners on Narragansett Bay. With a stout little boat like a Montgomery, I might even be able to entice my mate back on to the water. happy sailing, Steve
Welcome to the list Steve. I'm sure an Msailor will contact you for a get together. Again, howdy. tom
Welcome all! Joe Moore M15 Midnight Passage Houston TX Tom Smith wrote:
Welcome to the list Steve. I'm sure an Msailor will contact you for a get together. Again, howdy. tom
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My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit and higher overall. This seemed to work well. So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to have a bigger head sail made? Thanks in advance, Robbin
Hi Robbin, The advantages of putting your jib and genny on an extender, and getting the genoa off the deck as you did, is that it increases forward visibility. You can see under the foot of the genoa, and don't have a big blind spot caused by the sail. The racing boys station a crew member at the bow to serve as a lookout; or in the small classes, they get the sail maker to install a window in the genoa to improve visibility. Another advantage of getting the genoa off the deck is that if you get a wave over the bow, the genoa doesn't get hit - stopping the boat, and maybe tearing the sail. If you are racing competetively, then the last square inch of sail you can set is important. If you are cruising, .... who cares? Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO Robbin Roddewig wrote:
My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit and higher overall. This seemed to work well. So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to have a bigger head sail made?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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I don't think there are any drawbacks to what you've done, Robbin. The M17 was designed to be a masthead rig, so hoisting the sail all the way to the top is in the original spec. Plus now you're giving youself a bit of extra visibility at the deck level with the foot of the sail raised, improving the shape of the sail, reducing chafe, etc. I believe what you've added is commonly called a tack pennant. You want to make sure it's stong enough to handle the stresses you're putting on it... t
With your sail higher you are getting less disturbed "air" that isn't as turbulent as air closer to the water surface. Sounds like you are on the right track. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbin Roddewig" <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 7:53 AM Subject: M_Boats: Up your Genny!
My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit and higher overall. This seemed to work well. So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to have a bigger head sail made?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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I think your solution has two affects.....not that they are bad, but an affect. First, it raises the center of effort so you may get a bit more heeling. And related to this, I think up off the deck, you will be "leaking" air. I think I remember hearing that when the foot of the sail brushes the deck, it's more efficient. Some do use a pendant to lift storm jibs off the deck so a big wave doesn't take out your rig, but that shouldn't happen flying a 170. In the roughly 8 years I've owned my boat, I've never had a wave over the bow. I'm surprised that a 170% doesn't go all the way to the masthead. My genny and working jib both go from the stem head fitting on deck all the way to the masthead. The working jib was so long, I had to rake the mast back a little to fully tension the luff. It was built by Kern, so I presume he knew what he was doing. The visibility thing is a concern. I've got a big blind spot up there that creates opportunity for excitement when sailing in a crowd. Especially with the genny, which comes back almost to the sheet winches. On Sep 1, 2008, at 6:53 AM, Robbin Roddewig wrote:
My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit and higher overall. This seemed to work well. So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to have a bigger head sail made?
Thanks in advance, Robbin
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Robbin, I have added tack pennants to a number of my sails over the years and the only problem it has given is having to replace the Genoa track on one boat to get the sheet far enough aft for the higher sail. That is no problem on Griselda since she has the perforated toe rail and I can put the sheet bolock as far back as needed. My Pennant is wire and has an eye slice at the Genny tack and another on the lower end with a snap shackle. Sure is easier than messing with a pin type shackle and it gives some room to work under the jib. Ron M17 # 14 Fin keel Griselda
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:53:48 -0400> From: robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Up your Genny!> > My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow > shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems > to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I > have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with > the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment > means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which > cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail > dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the > bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit > and higher overall. This seemed to work well.> So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that > anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to > have a bigger head sail made?> > Thanks in advance,> Robbin> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Looks like the tack pennant vs. deck sweeper could get down to the old issue of racing sailor and cruising sailor. Yes, the "deck sweeper" sail is designed to use the deck to stop air leakage off the foot of the sail. Since my hair has turned white and my testosterone level has fallen, I am more and more interested in safety and convenience than going faster. I want to be able to "peek" under my Genny. Ron M17 #14, Fin keel Griselda.> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 07:53:48 -0400> From: robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Up your Genny!> > My jib and 170% Genny attach right on the bow at deck level using a bow > shackle that I bought. From what I see on the web pictures this seems > to be what most others with M-17's do. I noticed the other week that I > have what appears to be two feet of head stay available at the top with > the head sail attached at the deck level. This deck level attachment > means that the head sail is always distorted by the bow pulpit which > cannot help the shape of the sail and worse yet gets the head sail > dirty! What I did yesterday was put a foot and a half of line from the > bow plate to the Tack of the 170 which raised it clear of the bow pulpit > and higher overall. This seemed to work well.> So my question is are there any draw backs to this configuration that > anyone can think of? If I have this much extra room should I look to > have a bigger head sail made?> > Thanks in advance,> Robbin> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _________________________________________________________________ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Phot...
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