Several summers ago a friend of mine left his Ranger 20 in some storage near Bellingham, WA, for several months between trips in the San Juans. I think he said it was free, or at least quite inexpensive. There used to be free RV storage at the fairgrounds near Port Townsend, in the off season, not sure if that's still true. In my area (Rogue valley, southern Oregon) for small rigs like ours it's easy to find RV/boat storage for $30-$35/month. cheers, John On 03/07/2019 09:09 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:

Could you store an M17 near the SJ's ready for when you want to use it and keep the M15 for home.I'd imagine trailer storage locally is a lot cheaper than a marina.      That would be perfect :-)

On Thursday, March 7, 2019, 7:36:25 PM PST, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I’m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It’s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Capt David

I did it about 10 yrs ago I will look for pic Capt Jim

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15

-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard

Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded.  To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email

Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard

Hi James,

Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically.  I almost had to do this once....  Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust.  If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc.  You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems.  Thinned down...  I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days.  Amazing.  Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever.

--Burt in Maine

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:

My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now).  anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp.  I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time.  The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well.  I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above,  may have to get drastic and  cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into.  I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas

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All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn’t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn’t care either. Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 8, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

Thanks all. So many options. Pete Chinook breeze 377

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 22:58, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Several summers ago a friend of mine left his Ranger 20 in some storage near Bellingham, WA, for several months between trips in the San Juans. I think he said it was free, or at least quite inexpensive.

There used to be free RV storage at the fairgrounds near Port Townsend, in the off season, not sure if that's still true.

In my area (Rogue valley, southern Oregon) for small rigs like ours it's easy to find RV/boat storage for $30-$35/month.

cheers, John

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On 03/07/2019 09:09 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: Could you store an M17 near the SJ's ready for when you want to use it and keep the M15 for home.I'd imagine trailer storage locally is a lot cheaper than a marina. That would be perfect :-) On Thursday, March 7, 2019, 7:36:25 PM PST, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I’m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It’s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377 Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Capt David

I did it about 10 yrs ago I will look for pic Capt Jim

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15

-----Original Message----- From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard

Skipper On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. If you what more details sand me an email

Captain Dos Colitas Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard

Hi James,

Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever.

--Burt in Maine

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On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com> wrote:

My CB has been stuck the past several times I've taken her (#69 M17(Not Coyote- I believe the boat named Coyote has the same number as mine, but was modified for racing - doesn't have a full cabin--but that 's not important right now). anyways, I drilled a 3/4" hole in the cockpit floor just aft of the doorway into the cabin above the CB . Drilled it there so that the steel rod will have good contact with the top of the stuck CB. I used a steel rod and a 10 lb sledgehammer, floated the boat but kept it on the trailer at the boat ramp. I was able to lower the CB a little, didn't have the motor so didn't want to have to struggle getting the boat back on the trailer in the wind - since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge works. Jim in Denton Texas

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

I have done a couple of San Juan and Gulf Island cruises in my M15 with 2 hp Honda and enjoyed it quite well. A good boom tent works wonders keeping out the rain and is recommended for either the M17 or M15. The M15 boom tent should extend all the way to the transom as the seats drain forward towards the cabin. Thanks Doug On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:41 AM Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:

15 vs 17. Cater to the one that suits your lifestyle the most. 50 weeks, vs 2? Go with easier launching for the 50.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:28 AM Bob via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

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All great input. Some thoughts. Lead ballast boats, only way to go. I had an 1985. Bought her knowing board was stuck. Wasn’t a huge care. Would get around to it someday. Maybe. Where I sail, board would be up most of time. Worked on board once in a while, never making progress. Sailed her a couple years until, I decided to take one of the many outstanding offers to buy her at the local ramp. New owner was fully knowledgeable of stuck board but didn’t care either.

Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 8, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:

Thanks all. So many options. Pete Chinook breeze 377

Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 22:58, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:

Several summers ago a friend of mine left his Ranger 20 in some storage near Bellingham, WA, for several months between trips in the San Juans. I think he said it was free, or at least quite inexpensive.

There used to be free RV storage at the fairgrounds near Port Townsend, in the off season, not sure if that's still true.

In my area (Rogue valley, southern Oregon) for small rigs like ours it's easy to find RV/boat storage for $30-$35/month.

cheers, John

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On 03/07/2019 09:09 PM, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote: Could you store an M17 near the SJ's ready for when you want to use it and keep the M15 for home.I'd imagine trailer storage locally is a lot cheaper than a marina. That would be perfect :-) On Thursday, March 7, 2019, 7:36:25 PM PST, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Hi all: I have a M15 which I love foe ease of local sailing; however since I’m doing more trips in the SJs I think I need a M17. It’s the age old debate. Small boat for 51 weeks of local sailing vs one or two weeks of island hopping. Should I think of trading the M15 for a 17 Pete Chinook Breeze; 377 Sent from my iPhone

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On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:44, Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:

Capt David

I did it about 10 yrs ago I will look for pic Capt Jim

> On Mar 7, 2019, at 10:07 AM, David Eisner via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Jim,Do you have pictures of your repairs?David EisnerDancer M-15 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2019 8:33 am > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Skipper > On my M15 the steel ballast in the centerboard and keel rusted and expanded. To get the centerboard down I fabricated a puller > I then replaced the CB with a lead filled board and replaced the keel ballast with lead. > If you what more details sand me an email > > Captain Dos Colitas > Skipper sailing vessel Pelican M-15 > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Burton Lowry > Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:23 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Possible solution for stuck centerboard > > Hi James, > > Before you do something so drastic as to start cutting-- if it is rust that is the problem you may be able to do it chemically. I almost had to do this once.... Was going to pack the keel slot from underneath with clay to make it watertight, then fill it from above with something to eat rust. If not in a hurry, high sulfur molasses does a great job, and so will coca cola., vinegar, etc. You can go on Youtube and see the recipe on the > molasses-- five gallons from the feed store is cheap and will last a lifetime it seems. Thinned down... I've de-rusted a lot of stuff that way... just gotta' stir it around a bit every few days. Amazing. Stinks. > I keep a 55 gallon plastic barrel ready to go with the stuff-- seems to last forever. > > --Burt in Maine > >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:14 PM James Hymes <jamesehymes@gmail.com

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>> since it was not in open water I didn't get to see if it would drop >> all the way, will find that out next time. The last time I did sail >> with the CB up, it was too windy, and I was uncomfortable with the >> amount of heeling it did and also didnt point so well. I'm extremely >> hopefull the CB will drop all the way, cause if not I'll take ti and >> lift the boat on land and try wiggling the CB out while hitting it >> from above, may have to get drastic and cut open the keel and dig out the old steel slugs and replace with lead ballast - something I hope to avoid. >> If it works out, I'll put in some sort of plastic with a removable cap for >> the steel rod to fit into. I'll repost to let ya'll know if the sledge >> works. Jim in Denton Texas >>

-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com