Gil....., Thanks for the info. I won't be at Lake Havasu for a while. Fair winds, Tom B On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:26 PM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
Tom,
There are PHRF and Portsmouth ratings for the boat (M-17) in three configurations - Standard rig , Tall rig, Flush deck, the boats were raced in the West and Southwest for a period of time -'back in the day'
The tall rig affects my rating where ever I race - except a race like the Cruiser Challenge - We sailed a tall rig (Bill G.'s 'Andiamo') at Monterey last weekend. The CC uses no handicap ratings they split the fleet by overall length.
I sail primarily in Arizona - light air to ZERO - so I decided the tall rig was in order. M-17's have a long and storied history on Lake Havasu - they have been racing there since the 70's.
I race with a 'Tall rig' rating either PHRF or D-PN - whichever the authority chooses for scoring.
http://offshore.ussailing.org/Portsmouth_Yardstick/Current_Tables/Offshore_C lasses_F-N.htm
The best 21 inches for a M-17's rig. Little to no detrimental effect at higher wind ranges - HUGE difference in light air.
value of rig is my opinion - ever see a Renault driver that didn't think they were GREAT cars...?
Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing (too hot here)
GO M-17t sail # 354 'Tiny Purple Fishes'
In a message dated 7/20/2013 7:34:27 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com writes:
Looks like a great site if you need a mast. How does that affect your phf(?) for racing on Lake Havasu?
Tom, M-17 hull #258
On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:57 AM, Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks for the info GO, I will check it out.
Tony Cox M17 294
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On Jul 19, 2013, at 10:30 PM, GILASAILR@aol.com wrote:
Tony,
My mast was 'worn out' - tired, beat up, and I wanted to change over to a tall rig. I was not happy with the soft and flexible extrusion of the original mast section so I contacted Bill Ballenger at Ballenger Spars in Watsonville CA. After a bit of discussion we agreed on a mast section (4026) and I supplied the dimensions for the tall rig (21 inches longer) I noted the location of my gooseneck and halyard exits and he built me an excellent mast. I provided a drawing of the masthead dimensions and they built a welded fitting with replaceable sheaves and axles! Jerry M. made the shrouds and stays and we have been happy ever since. If you look on the MSOG site
M-17's 'LB/GF!' (looks bad/goes fine!) check out the couple of pictures there - fixed airfoil spreaders, doublers at butt and spreaders - super fine workmanship and VERY fair price.
The location of the spar manufacturer relative to your location can be important, as the freight on a 20'+ tube that needs to be 'top load' can get quite expensive.
FWIW NFIW -just really good service and a great product - (I sold boats for +30 years - I am particular about boat parts!) {;>)
Check them out if you are interested.
_www.ballengerspars.com_ (http://www.ballengerspars.com)
The pre-feed on the throat of the sail track is worth the 'price of admission'! Picture of the rig from 2013 LHPCC is attached.
GO
M-17t sail # 354
In a message dated 7/19/2013 9:33:32 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg@gmail.com writes:
GO,
I live in Silverton, Oregon. My boat is moored on Detroit Lake.
Tony Cox M17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:58 PM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
Tony,
What part of the countryside are you located in?
GO M17t sail #354
In a message dated 7/19/2013 7:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cox.tjg@gmail.com writes:
Roger that Ron, not a fun day.
Thanks Tony Cox M-17 294
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Ronald McNeil <ronaldwmcneil@yahoo.com>wrote:
Och! That happened to us on my buddy's Windrose 18 last year. In our case both turnbuckles on the port side came undone one right after the other. Not a fun day.
Regards, Ron McNeil M17 675
________________________________ From: Tony Cox <cox.tjg@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 5:51 PM Subject: M_Boats: Mast failure
Unfortunately had mast failure today on my M-17. Portside lowerstay snapped at the speader, then it all came down. Need a new mast and should replace the standing rigging. Jerry, you out there? Where do you suggest I go?
Tony Cox M-17 #294
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