Oh yeah, the bottom companionway holder...what are those pieces called anyhow? There must be a less complicated name for them. Will have to look at mine to see for sure but that groove only goes maybe 1/2" below the edge. Below that is solid wood, opposite (behind, from inside) the cleat. So as long as the through-bolts would come through below the bottom of the groove, you could let out space for the nuts in the backside of the outside piece, it's plenty thick. You'd have to pull it off, mark the cleat bolt locations, make hollows for the nuts, and put it back on. A regular drill bit would do, or a brad point bit, a Forstner bit or a router with a plunge bit. That's the easy part...fixing the inside is the real work... :-o My keel patching doesn't seem such a big deal now. cheers, John S. On 05/30/2017 04:34 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Thanks John,Static load, maybe a bit of dry rot. I would love to do through bolts but the companionway has the groove that holds my lower hatch board in that location. Maybe there is some way to do it.Tyler
From: John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:17 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cleat for centerboard pennant ripped out
Ouch!
Was that spontaneous failure under static load, or was there some shock to the cleat from the CB dropping or something?
I would say you need to rebuild that part of the companionway inside bottom frame. One approach would be to cleanly cut away everything broken and splintered. Make a nice clean shape to splice in new teak - I'm imagining a slight trapezoid, with smaller end up. Get a quality piece of straight, tight grain teak to replace what you cut out. Epoxy (thickened to fill any gaps in the joint) and screw it securely (up from underneath) to the remaining solid part of the old piece. After that is in place, trim/sand/fair as necessary to match edges, and re-glass where the glass was broken and had to be cut away (overlapping the old glass on either side and below to add support).
And if the old cleat was just screwed into the wood, you might want to through-bolt it when putting it back. You could use cap nuts on the cockpit side, with machine screws cut to length, to avoid protruding bolt ends in the cockpit side. Or nylon insert locknuts with bolts cut flush, which is probably how your winch bolts are done?
Another option is to use a cam cleat mounted vertically on the face of the inside (same face as the old cleat). That is, pennant comes off the winch and up through the cam cleat - when you pull the line up, it slides through the cleat, which can (should?) have a fairlead on it to keep the pennant close.
I mention this because that's how mine is set up - came that way from previous owner, and it looks to be original, because I don't see any marks from removing a horn-jam cleat like most others seem to have. Also because the cam cleat is in the ballpark of the right vintage to be original (1974). Don't have a picture of that to post but could get one if you want.
cheers, John S.
On 05/29/2017 05:56 PM, Tyler Heerwagen via montgomery_boats wrote:
Hi all, Looking for advice. My cleat for my centerboard line ripped out as shown. As you can see it was screwed into a bit of teak and actually broke the fiberglass frame surrounding it. Any experience with this? A better way to secure it? Any advice welcome! Thanks Tyler Heerwagen M-17 Seranita #232
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