. . . And I like the, what looks to be, very NACA foil blade shape . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig F. Honshell To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: M17 Kick-up rudder Sweet rudder, Larry . . . How is the bottom pintle attached to the cheekplates? The blade has to pivot between the pintle bolts, doesn't it? Yours looks like a better-thought-out setup than mine, depicted on the MSOG site . . . My biggest problem is that I don't have a really effective "uphaul" system, as you describe below . . . As I've told Dick Straubel, my current uphaul system works, but is a rather "Rube-Goldberg-esque" contrivance, rather than a well-thought-out process engineered into the design. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry E Yake To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: M17 Kick-up rudder The rudder blade is held down by cinching up and cleating off the line on the front of the rudder. On impact, the cleat releases and allows the blade to pivot on the bolt. You then just tighten that line back up to pull the blade back down, cleat it, on you're on your way. Larry On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 07:11:55 -0600 "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> writes: Randys pictures sure look good. It just seems the one tension bolt would make it hard for the bottom part to stay horizontal on a good sail. gil ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry E Yake" <leyake@juno.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: M17 Kick-up rudder My new kick-up rudder from Ida Sailor arrived this week. I'm impressed. It fits perfect and the workmanship is top notch. Can't wait for spring to try it out. All I have to do is drill the tiller pivot bolt hole, since I'm using my old tiller. Randy Graves added some pictures of it to his website at http://sailing.gravesfam.us . It has some custom modifications to fit my non-standard gudgeons, and I had the optional releasing jam cleat added, but the basic design will be the same for the standard M17 setup. Larry Yake M17 #200 Tullamore "In a power boat you get there faster. In a sailboat you're already there."