14 Sep
2022
14 Sep
'22
10:37 a.m.
Thanks so much! On Wed, Sep 14, 2022, 9:05 AM Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1@gmail.com> wrote: > Paul, > The previous owner is the person who modified the mount to allow for tilt > and to deal with vibration he encountered with the engine. I believe he had > a Honda, and when he replaced it with the Suzuki, he modified the mount. > I will send photos and measurements later today. > Want to be clear, this was Forrest Meadows’ idea and execution. (previous > owner). It works well. > Welding is planned at edges of plate (upper and lower edges). > > Your idea for an extension may work dependent upon clearance for the > engine. > I will get photos/dimensions posted later today. > GO > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 5:37 AM Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Gary, > > What you did with your motor mount is exactly what I was looking for! > > Could you send more pictures and dimensions? Do you think the dampeners > > made of tire sidewalls makes a significant difference in vibration and > > sound transmission? My only concern would be fatigue and loosing an > engine. > > If you weld it at the corners, it might practically eliminate the > dampening > > feature. > > I really appreciate your help with this. > > Paul > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 10:18 PM Gary H.Oberbeck <fairandsquare1@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > Extended mount with truck tire sidewall ‘isolators’. Plan is to weld > the > > > aluminum brackets at the edges. Engine tilts regardless of powerhead > > > rotation and gives very good clearance from waterline in tilt position. > > > I can supply measurements and additional photos if interested. > > > Check forums regarding the Lehr units, caveat emptor. > > > Have a good trip to Catalina! ( I worked at Empire and Howlands > Landings > > > one summer- great fun) > > > Have fUn, go sail! > > > GO > > > M-15 #330 ‘Cahoots’ > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 10:08 PM Gary H.Oberbeck < > > fairandsquare1@gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My ‘new to me’ 15 came with a Suzuki 2.5 long, and an owner modified > > > > mount. I have used the Suzuki quite a bit and am very happy with it > > > having > > > > been an Evinrude dealer for years back in the last century. (Still > have > > > a 4 > > > > Yachtwin) Water cooled is an asset in my view for efficiency and > NOISE > > > > level! Water cooled exhaust is a bonus and quiet rates high on my > list. > > > > Maintenance is minimal - none in 10 months of very frequent use, just > > > don’t > > > > start them ‘dry’. > > > > The PO made an interesting and vibration reducing mount that > > accommodates > > > > the engine in the tilted position and dramatically cuts down on > > > vibration. > > > > The Honda and Suzuki are both single cylinder engines, prone to > > > vibration, > > > > the Suzuki runs MUCH smoother than any single cylinder Honda I have > > used > > > in > > > > the past. > > > > Let’s see if I can attach a photo of the mount?!? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 9:05 PM John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats > < > > > > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> There's also the Lehr 2.5 hp propane outboard. > > > >> However they only make a short shaft (15") model still, it appears. > So > > > >> unless you installed a raise/lower adjustable motor mount that > > probably > > > >> wouldn't work. > > > >> Also they are about 8 lbs heavier than the gas Suzuki or Honda. > > > >> Does have N-F gear like the Suzuki. > > > >> > > > >> There are some advantages with propane - easier starting, less > > > >> mess/smell, external tank option even on the smallest motors. > > > >> You can get an 11 lb composite/fiberglass external tank, and motor a > > > >> looooong time without refueling. > > > >> > > > >> I have the Honda 2.3 for my M17. Use it very little, but quite happy > > > >> with it so far when I have used it. Bought it because air-cooled so > > less > > > >> maintenance and possible trouble points than the Suzuki. Also the > > Suzuki > > > >> 2.5 (especially long shaft, they only made short shaft at first) > was a > > > >> fairly new product back when I bought, so I opted for the longer > > proven > > > >> history of the Honda. I am fine with the centrifugal clutch on the > > > >> Honda. It will start just fine at much lower throttle setting than > the > > > >> manual tells you to use. Will still give your boat a little push for > > the > > > >> first few seconds. I've not had it be a problem. Gentler than the > > > >> yanking on dock/mooring lines from a typical power boat wake. > > > >> > > > >> The Honda warranty is tops, in theory. And, be aware that actually > > > >> getting factory warranty service is another matter, depending on > where > > > >> you live, what dealers are available, and where you got the motor > vs. > > > >> where you take it for service. > > > >> > > > >> If you have a friendly helpful local dealer with a good service > > > >> reputation and you buy from them you'll probably be OK if you need > > > >> warranty service. > > > >> The other end of the spectrum might be if you buy it from an online > > > >> discount retailer and then take it to your local unfriendly poor > > service > > > >> reputation dealer for warranty service. You may find that warranty > is > > > >> not worth much in practical terms. > > > >> > > > >> cheers, > > > >> John > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 9/13/22 19:56, Paul Baker wrote: > > > >> > Thanks very much for your input. I noticed that the Honda comes > with > > > a 5 > > > >> > year no strings attached warranty as well. I like that. I also > like > > > the > > > >> > fact that it's air cooled. > > > >> > > > > >> > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022, 7:50 PM Rusty Knorr via montgomery_boats < > > > >> > montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> Almost everyone is going to suggest the Honda 2.3 or the Suzuki > > 2.5, > > > >> >> unless they think an electric is viable (I do not). > > > >> >> I prefer the Zuke for its neutral gear and additional power, and > > the > > > >> Honda > > > >> >> for its air cooling. The Honda is louder and takes off on > starting, > > > >> jerking > > > >> >> at mooring lines or making it stressful to pull the anchor, the > > Zuke > > > is > > > >> >> arguably a more refined motor for starting in neutral and > allowing > > > for > > > >> a > > > >> >> relaxed start to the day. The Honda has more proponents. You > can’t > > > >> really > > > >> >> go wrong with either one though. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> www.rustyknorr.weebly.com > > > >> >> > > > >> >>> On Sep 13, 2022, at 7:30 PM, Paul Baker <avalonjazz@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Dear Fellow Montgomery Owners, > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> I have a 2 hp Johnson Sea Horse outboard on my 1983 Montgomery > > 15. I > > > >> am > > > >> >>> ready to purchase a brand new outboard because I need peace of > > mind > > > >> for > > > >> >>> going across the Catalina Channel. I have the old style motor > > mount > > > >> that > > > >> >> is > > > >> >>> not adjustable. > > > >> >>> I am asking for any advice about engines from anyone who is > > willing > > > to > > > >> >>> share their experience and opinions so that I can make the > wisest > > > >> choice > > > >> >>> when I shop for an engine. I am also willing to make adjustments > > to > > > my > > > >> >>> existing motor mount if it is necessary. > > > >> >>> Your input is greatly appreciated. > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> Sincerely, Paul Baker (Los Angeles) > > > >> >> > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > > >> -------------------------------------------- > > > >> - Eco-Living - > > > >> Whole Systems Design Services > > > >> People - Place - Learning - Integration > > > >> john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > > >> http://eco-living.net > > > >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >