Rake the mast until the rudder blade is straight fore-aft, or even cocked to weather a tiny bit, but the rudder pointing to leeward, caused by lee helm, even a slight bit, is a disaster trying to sail upwind. Go by the feel of the helm. -----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:49 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used. Ok Jerry, the boat does have newer mylar sails so will add that in to the mix. The fore and aft stays aren't too bad for tension, it's more the side stays that are ridiculously loose. Cheers, Jason On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:39 PM , <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Jason- the 17 will sail far better with about 10 or 12" of rake- the exact amount depends on what kind of shape your main is in.
-----Original Message----- From: Jason Leckie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 1:26 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Bow pulpit. My boat did not come with a bow pulpit. Is there any resource for getting one made or used.
Thanks John, some very helpful information there from someone who has had a somewhat similar situation.
Jason
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018, 1:05 PM John Schinnerer, <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Mine came with a forestay and backstay that didn't allow for any aft rake at all...the mast was vertical at best, maybe even a tiny bit fore-raked unless the backstay was maxed out closed and the forestay was closer than I liked to wide open in the turnbuckles (they were NOT the original stays).
Even if you can find the original specs...on a used boat from 1980 with possible modifications you couldn't know about...you are probably safer measuring for the new stays yourself. You could order a "stock" set and end up with some (or all) not fitting. At the least, measure what you've got and check against any spec you do find for originals.
You can base new rigging on the existing ones that are too long, just factoring in how much shorter each piece needs to be. Make sure to measure that your mast is vertical side to side and adjust if/as necessary for shroud length. And adjust for rake if that needs changes in stay length also.
I tried and tried to find someone in my area that does machine swaging of stainless fittings and cable but couldn't come up with anything (mostly motorboat shops and semi truck fabricators and logging riggers and trailer builders around here). I have had good experience so far with Rigging Only: http://www.riggingandhardware.com/
They have been able to answer all my "I don't know about some of these little rigging bits and pieces" questions clearly and patiently on the phone and/or by e-mail, they provide a quote before you commit to order, and service is quick so far (fitted, swaged and shipped out in a couple days at most). Prices are as good or better than any others I found, for both parts and labor.
This is definitely one of those "measure seven times, order once" kind of situations...even have someone else do the measuring separately and check vs. your numbers. Mine came out just right, with enough paranoia in my measuring and re-measuring.
cheers, John
On 06/19/2018 12:33 PM, Jason Leckie wrote:
New member here from Point Roberts, WA / Vancouver, BC, I just bought a 1980 Montgomery 17.
I have a curious issue, my standing rigging is too long despite tightening the turnbuckles to the shortest length. I am planning on buying new stays from Dwyer (who apparently makes the Montgomery rig) Are the rig specs posted anywhere? The person who I talked to at Dwyer couldn't find them for the 17.
Cheers, Jason
On Mon, Jun 18, 2018, 9:20 PM Doug, <doug9326@gmail.com> wrote:
New member here from Bend, OR. just bought a Montgomery 15.
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