Peter I use a home-made tiller tamer on Sweet Dream. I screwed a small plastic jam cleat (a plastic wedge from a bar that holds drawings to a file) to the underside of the tiller. A single bungie stretches from one side of the cockpit to the other. One end of the bungie goes through a pad eye to a block of wood that acts as a tension adjuster. I pull the bungie out and snap it under the tiller when I want to lock the tiller down. In fact, I usually sail with the tamer engaged and the bungie tension loose. That way I can let go for a while to do something anytime. The tamer also hold the rudder straight out when docking and launching so it doesn't bang around. I also added a 20" tiller extension to let me move my weight forward. As Bill said, the M15 is very sensitive to weight distribution but I can point her into the wind and go forward to raise and lower sails, even in a blow. The tiller tamer also helps to hold the helm alee when lying heaved-to. Fair winds Don -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:39 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 12, Issue 5 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (Peter Deffenbacher) 2. Re: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (chbenneck@juno.com) 3. Re: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (Bill & Gigi Day) 4. RE: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (Smith, Tom) 5. RE: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15 (William B. Riker) 6. RE: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (William B. Riker) 7. RE: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15 (Rusty Knorr) 8. RE: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (Roberta Dvorscak) 9. RE: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (htmills@bright.net) 10. Re: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock (GaryM.Hyde) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:25:13 -0800 From: Peter Deffenbacher <pwdeffen@easystreet.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <40209E59.5000004@easystreet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Thank you, Tom S, Steve R, Bill R, Randy G. I think that on my boat I will start with the tiller lock because I have been there with a 20 MPH wind blowing and trying to set the sails with the tiller loose! The rudder will go the wrong way! I am thinking that a Tiller Lock from WM would be the best to start with. Does anyone have any more advice? Thanks in advance, Peter D Peanut M15 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:23:16 -0500 From: chbenneck@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040204.110637.2064.1.chbenneck@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Peter, I use a Forespar Tiller Extension (with a box in the cockpit side to hold the knob). With the tiller locked and the Honda at idle I can keep the bow in the wind long enough for me to go to the mast and raise the main. I sail most of the time by myself. Some sort of tiller holding device is your first priority, because there is no way you can hold the tiller and raise the main at the same time. So head into the wind: lock the tiller in that position; and you will have ample time to raise the main before you start to fall off. I raise the jib from the cockpit. Connie M15 #400 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:38:39 -0600 From: Bill & Gigi Day <billgigi@train.missouri.org> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <4021200F.506@train.missouri.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Peter, If you have an unmodified tiller, the "Tiller Tamer" will also allow you to use Connie's method of raising the main, or performing other brief chores. Bill Day M-15 #366 chbenneck@juno.com wrote:
Hi Peter,
I use a Forespar Tiller Extension (with a box in the cockpit side to hold the knob).
With the tiller locked and the Honda at idle I can keep the bow in the wind long enough for me to go to the mast and raise the main.
I sail most of the time by myself. Some sort of tiller holding device is your first priority, because there is no way you can hold the tiller and raise the main at the same time.
So head into the wind: lock the tiller in that position; and you will have ample time to raise the main before you start to fall off.
I raise the jib from the cockpit.
Connie M15 #400
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------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 08:54:20 -0800 From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE16DD87@spokane-mx3.itron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Peter, I use a real low tech tiller lock on my M15. Uses a jam cleat on the bottom of the tiller to capture a line connected to two bungee loops that connect to the stern cleats on either side. Works real well. Email me off line if you want to know more. t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Peter Deffenbacher [mailto:pwdeffen@easystreet.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:25 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15 Jib, Main and Tiller Lock Thank you, Tom S, Steve R, Bill R, Randy G. I think that on my boat I will start with the tiller lock because I have been there with a 20 MPH wind blowing and trying to set the sails with the tiller loose! The rudder will go the wrong way! I am thinking that a Tiller Lock from WM would be the best to start with. Does anyone have any more advice? Thanks in advance, Peter D Peanut M15 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses!! ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:22:52 -0500 From: "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15 To: <mail@rustyknorr.com.com>,<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E1AoVQA-00000q-00@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Rusty, Rivets. I bought a pop-rivet tool and have used it for all fittings on mast and boom. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Knorr Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:56 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15 Do you use a rivet or are they screwed in to the mast? Just curious, Rusty --- "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I use the horn cleats for main and jib halyards. I use the original clam cleats for the topping lift and spinnaker halyard. Mostly because they are there. The topping lift cleat had to be replaced. The plastic wears.
I have also replaced the jib sheet clam cleats, and the one for the centerboard pennant. They aren't classic, but do the job. There is a Ronstan with the same hole pattern. If they were good enough for Jerry . . . Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel
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Hi Peter,
I stand in the hatch opening or maybe sit on the side of the cabin top.
I installed Clam Cleats above the horn cleat, and moved the horn cleats a little lower. I think they are the side entry cleats: CL 217 Mk 1 (Starboard) & CL 218 Mk1 (Port). I can use one hand to feed the bolt rope in the slot and use the other to "ratchet" the halyard as I raise the main. I use the horn cleat as a turning block, then secure the halyard to the horn cleat. I do not trust a clam cleat to tie off the halyards.
Clam Cleat Web site:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats2-6mm.htm
http://www.clamcleat.com/marineapplications.htm
I think someone else uses clam cleats, maybe Bill Riker?
steve
Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY
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I would like to raise the Main and the Jib without going to the mast. So, what is the best way to do it on an M15. Hardware and Stuff!
Thanks,
Peter Deffenbacher Peanut M15
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Rusty,
Rivets. I bought a pop-rivet tool and have used it for all fittings on mast and boom.
Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel
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On Behalf Of Rusty Knorr Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 10:56 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15
Do you use a rivet or are they screwed in to the mast? Just curious, Rusty
--- "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
I use the horn cleats for main and jib halyards. I use the original clam cleats for the topping lift and spinnaker halyard.
Mostly because they are there. The topping lift cleat had to be replaced. The plastic wears.
I have also replaced the jib sheet clam cleats, and the one for the centerboard pennant. They aren't classic, but do the job. There is a Ronstan with the same hole pattern. If they were good enough for Jerry . . . Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel
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On Behalf Of Steve R. Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 12:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Cockpit raising Main and Jib on M15
Hi Peter,
I stand in the hatch opening or maybe sit on the side of the cabin top.
I installed Clam Cleats above the horn cleat, and moved the horn cleats a little lower. I think they are the side entry cleats: CL 217 Mk 1 (Starboard) & CL 218 Mk1 (Port). I can use one hand to feed the bolt rope in the slot and use the other to "ratchet" the halyard as I raise the main. I use the horn cleat as a turning block, then secure the halyard to the horn cleat. I do not trust a clam cleat to tie off the halyards.
Clam Cleat Web site:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats2-6mm.htm
http://www.clamcleat.com/marineapplications.htm
I think someone else uses clam cleats, maybe Bill Riker?
steve
Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY
--- Peter Deffenbacher <pwdeffen@easystreet.com> wrote:
I would like to raise the Main and the Jib without going to the mast. So, what is the best way to do it on an M15. Hardware and Stuff!
Thanks,
Peter Deffenbacher Peanut M15
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Thank you, Tom S, Steve R, Bill R, Randy G. I think that on my boat I will start with the tiller lock because I have been there with a 20 MPH wind blowing and trying to set the sails with the tiller loose! The rudder will go the wrong way! I am thinking that a Tiller Lock from WM would be the best to start with. Does anyone have any more advice? Thanks in advance, Peter D Peanut M15
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