In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:08:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, TOMMYVAL@aol.com writes: I believe it's 500 lbs Thanks Gary, Hmmm. 500 or 725? On gravel. I could lift the back of my old M-17 trailer enough to drag it on its wheels. So my vanity and strained shoulders tell me 700 pounds. But my other lifting abilities tells me 500 pounds. Hey, that is only a couple of hundred pounds. I think a good approximation would be boat and trailer unladen at 2200 pounds. So, I believe I'll put the following: M-15 Boat & Trailer Approx 1100#, M-17 2300# and the M-23 at 5000#. Those Numbers will be qualified with an explanation. Anyone care to correct? Or is this close enough? Bill And thanks to all. P.s. For those who like the Dana. I just got some great shots of "Graceful Exit" She is here in the SF Bay Area. I'll get the album online in a week or so.