OK I see what you mean about positioning the furler because the stay is shorter than mast. So yeah on an M15 if you wanted to detach the top of the forestay you could slide it all 'up' and have the whole extrusion resting on the mast. The furler drum would still need to hang off over the end. But if it was right up against the bottom of mast and the extrusion was secured to the mast you probably wouldn't need a separate support for the drum. It's having some length of the extrusion hanging off the end where you need suport, or you're at risk of it breaking off from flexing around. Plus it will sag and deform the extrusion if it's not supported. It's a bit of extra work either way, detaching the stay and repositioning the furler, or, setting up support for the part of the furler that hangs over. I will post a couple pics of my furler support... cheers, John On 1/13/23 12:04, Lawrence Winiarski wrote:
Yes, this is what I want, to swap out the forestay. I think however the m15 forestay is totally different than the m17.
That's good advice about the board, I was thinking about this exact problem, however the m15 is fractionally rigged, meaning the forestay is shorter than the mast, so it seems to me that if the furler "was" disconnected (i.e. some sort of toggle at the top) then the whole furler "could" be slid down the mast and you wouldn't need the board. That was what I was talking about and whether this is what people did.
On Friday, January 13, 2023 at 11:55:12 AM PST, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Forgot to say, if you really think you'll only use the furler 20% or so of outings, then just having a smaller hank-on jib (and jib downhaul) for that 20% of use makes more sense to me.
As I see it a furler is a 'permanent' installation. Meaning, it goes on and stays on.
If you wanted to switch from furler to hank-on reasonably quickly, I'd say you'd want a separate forestay for each. One with the furler on it, one without. Then just swap out the whole forestay. That will be quicker and easier than removing or reinstalling the furler on a one and only forestay.
cheers, John
On 1/13/23 07:14, Lawrence Winiarski via montgomery_boats wrote:
I'm seriously preparing to begin to commence to start to get a CDI-FF1 furler for the M15 and I'm looking for comments/criticisms My motivation is I currently have a hank-on-reefable-jib which is actually fine for lake sailing, but in the bigger ocean waves, I'd like to have an easier way to reduce the jib...mainly because the wave action makes me reluctant to spend time away from the tiller
So I don't intend to keep the furler on the boat, but would rather take it off and replace it with the simple hank-on-forestay which I'lluse about 80% of the time and only 20% use the furler when going on bigger water.
So what do you furler guys do when putting the mast back on the trailer? Do you detach it at the mast and slide it up so it doesn't stick out when trailering? What sort of fittings/toggles/turnbuckles do you use?
I'm looking at EP sails and precision sails, but what percentage jib/genoa should I go for? I think stock hank-on was 125%, but with a furler, should I go larger because I can always furl it down?
Any advice appreciated, including questions I don't even know enough to ask.
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