Rick (and others): I put SCRED in the water saturday at des moines. sailed around east passage down towards tacoma for about 6ish hours (when the wind died). blake island is a great place (meaning that when the weather is nice way to popular and many users don't know proper 'dock' etiquette). two years ago i had 4-7 year-olds running past SCRED when at the dock until 1-2AM! this was after one of the parents spent two hours on their cell phone talking at a high volume right next to SCRED! ... i digress. scanning VHF heard the big sailboat with 8' keel in 6' water ... so much for someone knowing how to read a chart and tide table. the owner/captain stated to the USCG, "no visible damage." i hate to think the stresses involved when TONS of boat stopped in a a very short distance ... that keel may have some interesting cracks and and issues at keel/hull joint and/or keelbolts. thought of you and EIDOLON wondering if you sailed by waving at the 'big fancy boat' stuck on the hard ;-) enjoy gray's harbor ... wind blows A LOT there. dave scobie M15 #288 - SCRED visit Scred's www-site: www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred Richard Everett <rick@skyko.com> wrote: We did go out on Saturday from Elliot Bay and sailed to Blake Island. There was a minus 2 foot tide at around 2pm, and a much larger (44 foot?) sailboat was stuck in the sand at the entrance to the state park marina at the Tillicum Village. We smirked a bit to ourselves as we sailed our M17 around her and into the marina, where we moored at the state run docks (a good reason to get the $60 year pass for state docks and bouys). Since we have never done the touristy Tillicum Village salmon dinner and performance thing, we did that and really were stuffed afterward (buy a loaf of the dark bread there, it is REALLY good).