Mike, Busca's stern rail is off the boat but sitting where I could measure it. These are rough measurements because the tubing moves a bit when not installed. Best to check things like stanchion spacing to be sure it won't hit fittings on your boat. Probably need to add access ports to bolt stanchion sockets on. www.bright.net/~htmills/M17sternrail.jpg Hope this helps, Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of MC Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: stern rail measurements - Defender Sales thanks I found the Defender listing for the stern rails. but does any one have the measurements for either the M15 or the M17 for comparison. like height, width, the weight, metal thickness, center to center for bolting down and whether its round or square plates that are used _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats