This past season, I enjoyed having the traveler on the stern. I enjoyed the uncluttered cockpit. I'm thinking of adding a teak cockpit grate, which would be complicated if I still had a cockpit-floor traveler. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about MontgomerySailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: traveler on stern Yes, Mike, I have, but it required a kick-up rudder. I've thought about ways to have a traveler such as mine without modifying the lifting rudder . . . The best I've come up with is a tiller handle that could slide in a long vertical slot. When you went to raise the rudder, you'd pull a pin keeping the tiller handle in position, and it would slide down the slot while the rudder lifted "up" . . . The link to pics of my transom traveler is below. Fair winds, Craig, chonshell@ia4u.net My traveler is visible in several of the pics in this link, but is very clear in the second pic from the top (the one with the gas cans in the background) . . . http://www.msog.org/how-to/rudders/honshell.cfm ----- Original Message ----- From: "MC Carpenter" <southisland2@earthlink.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 11:25 PM Subject: traveler on stern I was thinking of changing the traveler and putting it on the stern rail, has any done that. It would free up the cockpit a little. Mike