doug: Welcome to the list of happy M-15 owners. As a new member myself, I know that there are always questions. No one wants to re-invent the wheel. Feel free to ask any of us when you have a question or you can search the MSOG site by specific items (say anchors). I love my M-15, It's sea-worthy, roomy and easy to trail and launch. I can set up in 15 or 20 minutes. There are several tricks most of us use: We use the jib halyard to hold the mast up while we go forward to connect the fore stay. Most of us keep the main rolled around the boom to simplify the set-up. Let us know what you named her. Fair winds Don Ludlow M-15 # 620 Sweet Dream -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 9:12 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 11, Issue 23 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Phil Bolger (chbenneck@juno.com) 2. Re: M-17 trailer wheels (chbenneck@juno.com) 3. new to the list (doug latka) 4. Re: new to the list (SteveR.) 5. trailer tires (Seawitch) 6. Re: trailer tires (chbenneck@juno.com) 7. Re: trailer tires (SteveR.) 8. Re: Throw Rope (n9ca) 9. RE: small boats (htmills@bright.net) 10. RE: new to the list (William B. Riker) 11. Re: trailer tires (Wilsometer@aol.com) 12. Re: M-17 trailer wheels (GaryM.Hyde) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:52:31 -0500 From: chbenneck@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Phil Bolger To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040130.111430.2108.0.chbenneck@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Craig, MAIB has become my favorite magazine because it is wide ranging, and every issue is fun to read. Everything from commercial collisions (that you never hear about in the newspapers); big ship scrapping problems; to canoeing along the German Baltic coast - or, by the same author, around the Newfoundland peninsula; to Robb White's rambling, amusing, informative writings - as well as a Bolger commentary on some design of his: the why's, how's, and often times how the design really worked .. .........or in the latest issue, about a man in New Zealand with a 6 foot long, four masted, radio controlled schooner model; and articles on nature observed from a boat - dragon flies, otters, seals. I gave up on SAIL long ago. How often do you want to read that the pointy end is called the bow, the blunt end is called the stern; and sheets are used to control sails - not put on a bed (berth)? ..........or that the hot shot racers are loosing masts in a bit of a chop but haven't a clue as to why; ..........or that their expensive "toys" are ready for the scrap heap after a year of racing...........? CRUISING still in interesting to read, but at my age, I've sort of given up the idea of sailing to Samoa. The M15 might make the journey, but I can't quite convince myself that it is something that needs to be done, when Lake Champlain or similar bodies of water let me play out my adventurous fantasies - rail down, headed for distant shores - but at night I can come back to the luxury of a B&B and a good diner in a restaurant. My Admirable finds this much more to her liking that being braced in the galley in a Buzzard's Bay wind against the tide situation, cooking lunch for four as the boat crashes to windward. Been there - done that! Connie ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:06:54 -0500 From: chbenneck@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 trailer wheels To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040130.111430.2108.2.chbenneck@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Scott, When I first got the M15 the trailer tires had lots of sidewall cracks. I tried to get new ones before departing Florida for Connecticut, but the shop didn't have any of the right size, and, as they told me, all trailer tires in Florida have sidewall cracks.............. So we headed back to Connecticut. However, my first job, when I got home with the M15, was to get new rims and new tires.
From the discussions on the M-List, the answer was go with radials - for the reasons you mentioned.
I got Goodyear tires, with wheels properly balanced, and have been totally happy with the results. Connie ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:21:51 -0800 (PST) From: doug latka <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: new to the list To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040130162151.5196.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello I'm new to the list, just bought my boat from Houston Tx. A beautiful 1982 m 15. Once the 14 inches of snow here in Nebraska melts, I hope to sail her! Then again if it gets really bad I may have to flee to Florida! Doug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:05:43 -0800 (PST) From: Steve R. <stever@mail.saabnet.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: new to the list To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20040130170543.B66F1396D@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain Hi Doug, Welcome to the list. My M-15 came from Houston also. Jerry must have sold a lot of them down there. Only a couple of inches of snow here. I think spring is something like 50 days away... steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- doug latka <dougl20002001@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello I'm new to the list, just bought my boat from Houston Tx. A beautiful 1982 m 15. Once the 14 inches of snow here in Nebraska melts, I hope to sail her! Then again if it gets really bad I may have to flee to Florida! Doug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:49:11 -0800 (PST) From: Seawitch <seawitchlj@yahoo.com> Subject: M_Boats: trailer tires To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040130174911.85104.qmail@web9601.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Maybe some of you on the list remember the problem I had last summer with my centerboard pin vibrating almost out. I have since related this to the severe vibration caused by the bias ply tires I had on my trailer. Since I moved to radials, the ride has been completely smoothed out. When I first noticed the vibration, I thought the wheels on the truck were out of alignment and took it in and had them balanced. First time I towed the trailer after that, I thought I had a flat tire it was so bad. Once I changed out the tires on the trailer, it was like magic. If I ever buy another trailer, it will have radials from the beginning. Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)From Tom.Smith@itron.com Fri Jan 30 11:58:00 2004 Received: from itron9-79.itron.com ([198.182.9.79] helo=spokane-mx3.itron.com) by mailman.xmission.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Amdq4-0001LC-00 for <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>; Fri, 30 Jan 2004 11:58:00 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: M_Boats: Throw Rope Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 10:57:29 -0800 Message-ID: <E15906480B361D4BAA27ADC6EDCAB9EE20D753@spokane-mx3.itron.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: M_Boats: trailer tires Thread-Index: AcPnXGW52YUcH+iMSbSFgRoR1dTwwQAABESw From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> X-BeenThere: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> List-Id: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats.mailman.xmission.com> List-Help: <mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=help> List-Post: <mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>, <mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=subscribe> List-Archive: <http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/private/montgomery_boats> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats>, <mailto:montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com?subject=unsubscribe> I carry an older whitewater rescue throw bag on my boat and thought I'd = pass the idea on to the list. The link below takes you to a product = page for Northwest River Supply, an outfit that markets stuff to = whitewater paddlers and rafters. I won't go into how you use it unless = asked, but it works great for a quick MOB situation (if you're fast, you = could just release all your sheets and toss the bag instead of sailing = back), and between boats and boat to dock. Tons more effective than = throwing a coiled line... t http://www.nrscatalog.com/product.asp?pfid=3D51825 Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:24:32 -0500 From: chbenneck@juno.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer tires To: seawitchlj@yahoo.com,montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <20040130.142614.2124.1.chbenneck@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Sandra, ............and don't forget to get the trailer tires and wheels balanced! Makes all the difference....... Connie ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:09:36 -0800 (PST) From: Steve R. <stever@mail.saabnet.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer tires To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <20040130200936.8EF383964@sitemail.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain Interesting point Connie. When I bought new tires at Wal-Mart, they said the small wheels would not fit on the balancer. For unbalanced wheels I have not noticed any vibration at all. Has anyone else had a problem having trailer tires balanced? Or having Wal-Mart refuse money? steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- chbenneck@juno.com wrote: Hi Sandra, ............and don't forget to get the trailer tires and wheels balanced! Makes all the difference....... Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:22:07 -0500 From: "n9ca" <n9ca@comcast.net> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Throw Rope To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <003801c3e777$1e3e9c10$20e13b44@NONEUV4L664B2I> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Great idea! My rescue squad uses them in swiftwater rescue work. The lines float, too, so can be readily grabbed by the person being rescued. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Throw Rope I carry an older whitewater rescue throw bag on my boat and thought I'd pass the idea on to the list. The link below takes you to a product page for Northwest River Supply, an outfit that markets stuff to whitewater paddlers and rafters. I won't go into how you use it unless asked, but it works great for a quick MOB situation (if you're fast, you could just release all your sheets and toss the bag instead of sailing back), and between boats and boat to dock. Tons more effective than throwing a coiled line... t http://www.nrscatalog.com/product.asp?pfid=51825 Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar M17-064, Unnamed _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:24:02 -0500 From: <htmills@bright.net> Subject: RE: M_Boats: small boats To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <001701c3e788$262f04d0$d49ddb42@HTM031103> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Yes! And small boats put you closer to the water, closer to the things that make the essence of sailing a beautiful experience.
The smallest, simplest boat that meets the requirements for the intended use.<<<<
Tod -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of chbenneck@juno.com Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:01 AM To: southisland2@earthlink.net; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: small boats MC Beautifully expressed. Small boats = small problems: big boats = big problems (expensive + needs manpower): you are no longer in control of your own destiny. Small is beautiful - even if it doesn't offer standing headroom and sleeps 12! Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:39:53 -0500 From: "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> Subject: RE: M_Boats: new to the list To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <E1Amk6x-0002wJ-00@hall.mail.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Doug, Welcome to the list, and joys of Montgomery ownership. You are obviously an intelligent and knowledgeable sailor. My 1982 M15 was also acquired in Houston. I bought her from the original owner in 1998, and brought her home to Pittsburgh, then on to her sailing grounds on Lake Erie. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of doug latka Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 11:22 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: new to the list Hello I'm new to the list, just bought my boat from Houston Tx. A beautiful 1982 m 15. Once the 14 inches of snow here in Nebraska melts, I hope to sail her! Then again if it gets really bad I may have to flee to Florida! Doug __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:53:37 EST From: Wilsometer@aol.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: trailer tires To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <1e7.18767a5e.2d4c72b1@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 1/30/04 12:10:38 PM, stever@mail.saabnet.com writes:
Has anyone else had a problem having trailer tires balanced? Or having Wal-Mart refuse money?
I had the 12" radials (as mentioned in my previous post) mounted and balanced without any problems. There are, believe it or not, still cars out there running 12" wheels/tires, and these still have to be balanced. Try a specialty tire shop rather than 'big box' stores. Scott M15 #478 'bebe' PSC Flicka (unnamed) ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:12:10 -0800 From: Gary M. Hyde <gmhyde1@mac.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 trailer wheels To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <423FFC2C-539B-11D8-9DCF-00039301992E@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Scott: Thanks for the 12-inch radial tire info. I'll look into it. --Gary On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 11:36 PM, Wilsometer@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 1/29/04 3:16:45 PM, gmhyde1@mac.com writes:
Harvey: That might be the best idea. I think you will like the radial tires. I've been looking for radials for my M15 trailer to smooth out the ride, but they don't make them in 12-inch--That's what my old trailer has. --Gary
Gary, There may not be trailer-specific tires available for 12" rims, but there are several 12" car radials available. I switched over to 12" Goodyear Tiempo car radials about 7 years and many thousands of miles ago on my otherwise stock TrailRite trailer.
The ride/cushioning effect of the radials was a dramatic improvement. While it is true that radials designed for trailer use tend to have reinforced sidewalls, the M15 is light enough that this should not be a concern.
Others on the list have made the switch as well, and to my knowledge, none have regretted it.
Scott M15 #478 'bebe' PSC Flicka (unnamed)
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