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fin keel repair
by Rimantas Aukstuolis 13 Apr '24

13 Apr '24

I own a 1983 Montgomery 15. Last summer was my first time using the boat due to the pandemic and some other health issues but I did manage to launch and keep at a dock on Lake Pymatuning (OH/PA border) from August to September. Apparently the boat was always dry sailed, and never had anti fouling paint applied as the bottom was clean when I bought it almost three years ago. When I hauled it out (dumb me) there was algae on the bottom. I was able to get it pretty clean using a marine algae cleaner and powerwasher but I'll give it another hit in the spring. As I was powerwashing, I seem to have removed a 3" section of fiberglass from the fin keel, forward on the port side. Looks like exposed metal. Is this lead or steel? Can't see well in there. How should it be fixed/patched? I really don't want to apply anti-fouling paint and will dry sail after I modify the trailer with keel guides and slicker beds to make launch and recovery easier. Any suggestions on repair and trailer mods are appreciated. Thanks Rimantas "Ray" Aukstuolis

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Beware of a fake email
by Dave Scobie 19 Jan '24

19 Jan '24

MSOG members: Please be aware that a fake email may have been sent using my name (but not my email address if you look closely at the header details.) that contains a hotlink. DO NOT OPEN THE LINK. It is a scam that can install a virus/malware. I'm not sure if the email went out to more than a few list members ... better safe than sorry! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com

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Warning to MSOG members about a Trojan email
by Dave Scobie 12 Jan '24

12 Jan '24

MSOG members: Be aware that scammers/spammers have spoofed a group member's email ID and sent a message with a imbedded link to a DANGEROUS download that will/can/may load a Trojan/virus onto your computer/phone. The email _untruthfully_ says it is from Peter Zimowsky. Peter DID NOT send this email. Peter's email has been spoofed and again he DIDN'T send the message. The message body says, "---- forwarded ---", followed by, "Hopefully, you still remember this photo". The message has an Internet hotlink. DO NOT CLICK THE LINK! The sender was actually using a scam uos.ac.kr domain. If you clicked the link and attempted to open the document be aware your computer/phone may have been compromised. If you downloaded the link I encourage you to run antivirus and malware cleaners to check your machines. If you download the file, after checking with antivirus and anti-malware software I also suggest you change all your Internet passwords especially those relating to banking and financial accounts. If you have any questions let me know. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com

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Davits for small dingy M15
by Jim Sadler 11 Jan '24

11 Jan '24

Any skippers have davits on M15 for small tender 50# or so Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 14
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

My work area is about 62 degrees. When the varnish failed to dry I moved it to a warmer area -- about 70 -- but it still did not dry. When I tested the varnish on other pieces of wood I left them in the 62-degree work area and they cured just fine. On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:21 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 (Mike Z) > 2. Re: spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:15:47 -0500 > From: Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <184FBB7B-8B6B-45D3-9B18-C90AADA5A482(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > One more thought. > > What temperature is your work area? > > Mike > > > On Jan 10, 2024, at 12:12 PM, David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper > but > > did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? > > > > I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and > it > > dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. > > > > David Hill > > M17 619 > > "Grouper" > > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > >> body 'help' to > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > >> 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > >> 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > >> 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > >> From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >> > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >> > >> David Hill > >> M17 619\ > >> "Grouper" > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > >> From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > >> > >> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > >> > >> Tod Mills > >> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >> > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >> > >> David Hill > >> M17 619\ > >> "Grouper" > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> < > >> CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> David: > >> > >> What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least a > >> week? > >> > >> > >> :: Dave Scobie > >> :: M6'8" #650 > >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > >>> > >>> Tod Mills > >>> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > >>> > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > >> and > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > >> epoxy > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >>> > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >>> > >>> David Hill > >>> M17 619\ > >>> "Grouper" > >>> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > >> From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Message-ID: > >> <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > >> kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > >> Hi David, > >> I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > >> After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > >> remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > >> The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth to > >> the surface. > >> If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > >> something to do with the varnish itself. > >> Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > >> If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > >> Please let me know your results. > >> Thanks, Paul Baker > >> > >> > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > >> and > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > >> epoxy > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > result. > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > >>> > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > place > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > >>> > >>> David Hill > >>> M17 619\ > >>> "Grouper" > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and > ones > >> that can't. > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > >> montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > >> > >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > >> ************************************************* > >> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 09:21:01 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA6o+veCP36eVaFGtisas_zMtJeFq3g9UhX+DKUY3E8YTQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David: > > Blush is removed with water. > > Be sure the epoxy is fully cured first. If the epoxy isn't fully cured it > is still creating blush. This is why it is best to wait a week before > covering with varnish. > > (Note: there are epoxy formulations that don't create blush.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 09:16 Mike Z <speedernut2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > One more thought. > > > > What temperature is your work area? > > > > Mike > > > > > On Jan 10, 2024, at 12:12 PM, David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper > > but > > > did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? > > > > > > I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and > > it > > > dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. > > > > > > David Hill > > > M17 619 > > > "Grouper" > > > > > >> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < > > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > > >> body 'help' to > > >> montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > > >> montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> > > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > >> than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > >> > > >> Today's Topics: > > >> > > >> 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > > >> 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > > >> 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > > >> 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > > >> > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > > >> From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > > and > > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > epoxy > > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >> > > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >> > > >> David Hill > > >> M17 619\ > > >> "Grouper" > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > > >> From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > >> > > >> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > >> > > >> Tod Mills > > >> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > >> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> > > >> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > > and > > >> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > But > > >> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > after > > >> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > epoxy > > >> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >> > > >> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >> > > >> David Hill > > >> M17 619\ > > >> "Grouper" > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > > >> From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> < > > >> CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> David: > > >> > > >> What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least > a > > >> week? > > >> > > >> > > >> :: Dave Scobie > > >> :: M6'8" #650 > > >> :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > > >> :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > > >> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > > >> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > >>> > > >>> Tod Mills > > >>> M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > >>> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > >>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > >>> Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >>> > > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare > wood > > >> and > > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > > But > > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > > after > > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > >> epoxy > > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >>> > > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >>> > > >>> David Hill > > >>> M17 619\ > > >>> "Grouper" > > >>> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > > >> From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > > >> Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > > >> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > >> <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > >> Message-ID: > > >> <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > > >> kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > >> > > >> Hi David, > > >> I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > > >> After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > > >> remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > > >> The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth > to > > >> the surface. > > >> If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > > >> something to do with the varnish itself. > > >> Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > > >> If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > > >> Please let me know your results. > > >> Thanks, Paul Baker > > >> > > >> > > >>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare > wood > > >> and > > >>> put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put > several > > >>> coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > >>> Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. > > But > > >>> the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days > > after > > >>> being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > > >> epoxy > > >>> and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same > > result. > > >>> Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > >>> > > >>> I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing > with > > >>> mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in > > place > > >>> of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > >>> > > >>> David Hill > > >>> M17 619\ > > >>> "Grouper" > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and > > ones > > >> that can't. > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> Subject: Digest Footer > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> montgomery_boats mailing list -- > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> To unsubscribe send an email to > > >> montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > > >> %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > >> > > >> Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > >> > > >> > > >> ------------------------------ > > >> > > >> End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > > >> ************************************************* > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 14 > ************************************************* >

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

Thanks for all the quick input. I sanded the epoxy with 220 sandpaper but did not wash it first. Is the "amine blush" removable with just water? I have tried the spar varnish on other pieces of wood without epoxy and it dries just fine, so I don't think the varnish is the problem. David Hill M17 619 "Grouper" On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 11:50 AM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Spar varnish over epoxy (David Hill) > 2. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (htmills(a)zoominternet.net) > 3. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Dave Scobie) > 4. Re: Spar varnish over epoxy (Paul Baker) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:41:51 -0500 > From: David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > < > CANH4sxddT81skHfxDNN+g-Gn8dvp_WXnNMpOFQi1UU-oLFraew(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > David Hill > M17 619\ > "Grouper" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) > From: htmills(a)zoominternet.net > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > 1955736929.52559132.1704905206579.JavaMail.zimbra(a)zoominternet.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > Tod Mills > M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > David Hill > M17 619\ > "Grouper" > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:48:55 -0800 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA5FFApxvxAKtjeAB9gNc3q3zD3QQDPY8xZc-chyz27PkQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > David: > > What Tod wrote in addition to allowing the epoxy to cure for at least a > week? > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: Baba 30 #233 DEJA VU > :: former owner SV SWALLOW - sailboatswallow.wordpress.com/ > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 08:47 <htmills(a)zoominternet.net> wrote: > > > Have you removed the amine blush from the epoxy? > > > > Tod Mills > > M17 #408 BuscaBrisas > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Hill" <David(a)dfhill.com> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:41:51 AM > > Subject: M_Boats: Spar varnish over epoxy > > > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > > > David Hill > > M17 619\ > > "Grouper" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:49:54 -0800 > From: Paul Baker <avalonjazz(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Spar varnish over epoxy > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > <CAHcOfc+PV2AyP1j_fXKtZKRhyKBe0DzXssZgoDUkvAnrXJ0= > kg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Hi David, > I have lots of experience with what you are doing. > After the West System job is done, it should be washed with water, to > remove any residue that's produced with the cure. > The epoxy finish needs to be sanded with #220 sandpaper to give tooth to > the surface. > If your varnish is not drying, I strongly believe it has probably has > something to do with the varnish itself. > Try varnishing something without epoxy as a test. > If it doesn't dry as it's supposed to, then you have your answer. > Please let me know your results. > Thanks, Paul Baker > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 8:42 AM David Hill <David(a)dfhill.com> wrote: > > > I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood > and > > put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several > > coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. > > Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But > > the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after > > being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying > epoxy > > and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. > > Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? > > > > I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with > > mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place > > of it to protect the epoxy from UV? > > > > David Hill > > M17 619\ > > "Grouper" > > > > > -- > There are only 3 types of people in the world. Ones that can count and ones > that can't. > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 250, Issue 12 > ************************************************* >

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Spar varnish over epoxy
by David Hill 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

I am refinishing the rudder of my M17. I stripped it down to bare wood and put on three layers of West System epoxy. I was planning to put several coats of marine spar varnish over the epoxy to protect it from UV. Everything I have read indicates this is a good and viable approach. But the spar varnish on the epoxy is not drying. It remains tacky days after being applied. I have experimented on other pieces of wood, applying epoxy and then coating the cured epoxy with spar varnish, with the same result. Has anyone else run into this issue? What did you do? I found that I can clean the uncured spar varnish off by scrubbing with mineral spirits. If I scrub off the spar varnish, what can I use in place of it to protect the epoxy from UV? David Hill M17 619\ "Grouper"

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M15 and Jet Boil
by Jim Sadler 10 Jan '24

10 Jan '24

Any of you skippers/back packers using your backpack stove on M15. Gimbaled? Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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M15 oars
by Jim Sadler 08 Jan '24

08 Jan '24

Any of you skippers using oars on M15? How long are they? Where do you sit? Where are oar locks located? I want to be environmentally correct Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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